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Old Mar 6, 2019, 9:54 am
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High winds London 7 march

I see there are high winds/gusts forecast tomorrow for LGW and LHR. From experience is this likely to cause any delays or cancellations? I cant see anything on ba.com about it.
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Old Mar 6, 2019, 10:42 am
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It depends on how good the pilots are at landing sideways.

It's hard to predict delays / cancellations due to wind until the actual day as conditions can fluctuate quite a bit. It's unlikely there will be any tactical cancellations, like you'd see for snow events.
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Old Mar 6, 2019, 10:52 am
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Code:
TAF EGLL 061702Z 0618/0724 19012KT 9999 SCT025 
    PROB30 TEMPO 0618/0622 20015G25KT 7000 SHRA BKN014 
    BECMG 0622/0701 25010KT 
    BECMG 0708/0711 26020G32KT 
    PROB30 TEMPO 0714/0724 7000 SHRA 
    BECMG 0719/0722 29010KT
the bolded bit looks like the worst of what is forecast around the airport, wind 20knts gusting to 32knts during tomorrow morning, but it is pretty much straight down the runway so probably little disruption. I would be surprised if there would be anything mentioned on BA.com about it.

any reason for the concern?
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Old Mar 6, 2019, 11:01 am
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Code:
TAF EGLL 061702Z 0618/0724 19012KT 9999 SCT025
PROB30 TEMPO 0618/0622 20015G25KT 7000 SHRA BKN014
BECMG 0622/0701 25010KT
BECMG 0708/0711 26020G32KT
PROB30 TEMPO 0714/0724 7000 SHRA
BECMG 0719/0722 29010KT
the bolded bit looks like the worst of what is forecast around the airport, wind 20knts gusting to 32knts during tomorrow morning, but it is pretty much straight down the runway so probably little disruption. I would be surprised if there would be anything mentioned on BA.com about it.

any reason for the concern?
Yes i get very anxious about bumpy landings and am headed to LGW! I haven't seen this sort of wind in a long time. May i ask where you get that info from please as so i can look in the future?
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Old Mar 6, 2019, 11:20 am
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Originally Posted by Abstract1
May i ask where you get that info from please as so i can look in the future?
One source (the one I usually use):-
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Old Mar 6, 2019, 11:28 am
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Yes i get very anxious about bumpy landings and am headed to LGW! I haven't seen this sort of wind in a long time. May i ask where you get that info from please as so i can look in the future?
this is just from an app I use. You can just do a google search on metars (although the above is a terminal area forecast -TAF sites that show metar usually shows the TAF). Some will do a translation for you in case you don’t speak TAF.

to be honest it is windy but doesn’t look concerning. It’s usually crosswinds that can be unsettling but this is mostly straight down the runway so just headwind. LGW is pretty much the same forecast as LHR.
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Old Mar 6, 2019, 11:45 am
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Thanks very much. Yes im due to arrive early afternoon when it seems the gusts are up to 36 Knots! But i take your point about being inline with the runway...I guess it's all the turns before hand which can be rough.
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Old Mar 6, 2019, 11:52 am
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Now you all have gotten me worrěed for my 10-ish take of from LHR...then again, quite a few morning GTs have probably never killed anyone... 😲
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Old Mar 6, 2019, 12:26 pm
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As long as it's not strong cross winds then it shouldn't be too bumpy. It's actually safer taking off and landing into a headwind compared with no wind at all. Wind speed and direction are both checked to ensure it's safe to take off and land. You'll see the wind direction by checking the windsocks next to the runway.

I always smile when BA pilots use the phrase 'a few lumps and bumps' as part of their weather/conditions update over the PA.
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Old Mar 6, 2019, 1:23 pm
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That's nothing its straight at the runway! As said above landing into a headwind shortens landing distances and take off rolls, JMK almost perpetually has a 50-60 kmh headwind. The only thing that happens when it is gusty is you will hear the engines working harder to maintain airspeed, I wouldn't expect too much shaking except perhaps when circling around to runway heading around 10-20 miles out in the approach or after take off when you are turning away from runway heading.

Yes, once I had a BA pilot call sidewinds a 'sporty landing'.
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Old Mar 6, 2019, 1:46 pm
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High wind speeds can cause delays even without crosswinds, by affecting the aircraft spacing - needing aircraft to be further apart. There are several posts over on the 'Ask the staffer' threads, search for the ATC staff posts.
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Old Mar 6, 2019, 3:16 pm
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FWIW, last Sunday, when the winds were stronger than forecast for tomorrow, there were no significant cancellations, but short haul inbounds were having slot delays of up to an hour or so due to a restriction on the arrivals rate.

Other than a period of lively turbulence descending toward Biggin Hill, the flight, and the landing, was smooth.
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Old Mar 7, 2019, 2:40 am
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Me, I do not really care if there is a delay...unless I have a tight connecting flight, and I seldom do. If it's bumpy, I rather be delayed and avoid that, just one of these things, I know it's safe...but still. At least I have an opportunity to get some value out of the lounge with an excuse!
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Old Mar 7, 2019, 10:45 am
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Thank you all for your input. So in the end the flight was not bad at all...just some light turbulence on the approach. Thank you all for your useful comments. ^
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Old Mar 7, 2019, 5:26 pm
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Originally Posted by Oxon Flyer
FWIW, last Sunday, when the winds were stronger than forecast for tomorrow, there were no significant cancellations, but short haul inbounds were having slot delays of up to an hour or so due to a restriction on the arrivals rate.

Other than a period of lively turbulence descending toward Biggin Hill, the flight, and the landing, was smooth.
I stand to be corrected but with a strong headwind on the arrival runway the arrival rate can be reduced as arrivals are separated by distance. With a stronger headwind, airspeed is reduced and so arrival rate must be reduced to maintain separation.

Shorthaul flights will pick up slot delays in this situation as Eurocontrol will hold them at departure point to minimise arrival delays.

On the last short haul flight (BHD-LHR) I had subject to fog delay we were held on the ground for >1 hour but then only had less than 5 minutes in the Biggin Hill hold before approaching LHR so the system generally works.
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