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All this talk about 1800 quid fares and similar continued redemption opportunity are unlikely in a with Capacity cut by over a 3rd (nearly in half), simply as theyll be less seats to throw into those buckets
Similarly if they want to create a more exclusive product they wont be wanting to discount it and offer it up to all the Tesco brigade as they do now, as it does cheapen the product.
I suspect a LH type world would exist, with far less routes, far less discounting and far less redemption opportunities offered
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I'm planning on spending half the time in the office and charging the boss double for it. Just because BA wants to do something doesn't mean the market will go along.
Having said that, halving capacity will drive up prices and reduce redemption availability. But I think good old BA will continue to hustle for my POUG money whenever they have an empty seat (though it probably would happen less often).
Having said that, halving capacity will drive up prices and reduce redemption availability. But I think good old BA will continue to hustle for my POUG money whenever they have an empty seat (though it probably would happen less often).
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To be honest the only reason BA have had to discount it to fill seats is because the current offering is frankly crap.
They can kid themselves all they wish about 8 seat cabins and exclusivity but when they actually employ exemplary crew on every flight not occasional ones, when they provide high standard food and beverage not the cheapest option, when they provide chauffeur service etc then people may consider paying it.
The only people who have devalued First are BA and if they really think people are going to pay 7k-12k to have anything other than perfection then they really are stupid. And under this senior management team running it they are incapable of providing that as all they know is cost cutting and budgets.
They can kid themselves all they wish about 8 seat cabins and exclusivity but when they actually employ exemplary crew on every flight not occasional ones, when they provide high standard food and beverage not the cheapest option, when they provide chauffeur service etc then people may consider paying it.
The only people who have devalued First are BA and if they really think people are going to pay 7k-12k to have anything other than perfection then they really are stupid. And under this senior management team running it they are incapable of providing that as all they know is cost cutting and budgets.
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Oh this is silliness!
We all go to the same place in the end. I think the above posts are tongue in cheek. I spent a large part of my early twenties feeling inadequate or that I needed to fit in - but then I just decided people can take me or leave me.
I wouldnt read too much into anything just yet. One thing is for sure, things in ten years time wont be as they are today. But look back ten years and see what has changed. Some things we enjoy will go, but some new things will open up.
We all go to the same place in the end. I think the above posts are tongue in cheek. I spent a large part of my early twenties feeling inadequate or that I needed to fit in - but then I just decided people can take me or leave me.
I wouldnt read too much into anything just yet. One thing is for sure, things in ten years time wont be as they are today. But look back ten years and see what has changed. Some things we enjoy will go, but some new things will open up.
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To be honest the only reason BA have had to discount it to fill seats is because the current offering is frankly crap.
They can kid themselves all they wish about 8 seat cabins and exclusivity but when they actually employ exemplary crew on every flight not occasional ones, when they provide high standard food and beverage not the cheapest option, when they provide chauffeur service etc then people may consider paying it.
The only people who have devalued First are BA and if they really think people are going to pay 7k-12k to have anything other than perfection then they really are stupid. And under this senior management team running it they are incapable of providing that as all they know is cost cutting and budgets.
They can kid themselves all they wish about 8 seat cabins and exclusivity but when they actually employ exemplary crew on every flight not occasional ones, when they provide high standard food and beverage not the cheapest option, when they provide chauffeur service etc then people may consider paying it.
The only people who have devalued First are BA and if they really think people are going to pay 7k-12k to have anything other than perfection then they really are stupid. And under this senior management team running it they are incapable of providing that as all they know is cost cutting and budgets.
Halving loads would allow a far more exclusive CCR, a runable Limo option for transfers and a few extra quid on the fare would cover a bit of caviar and an extra 10-15 quid a head on the food.
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That all depends on your definition of "low rollers"? The proposed solution is to buy a ticket only with no points redemption flights, no rewards for spending too much on your credit cards and no Airmiles upgrades. Now that doesn't include sale or ex-EU fares, so there is not to say you may still pick up a bargain here or there. If they restrict the upcoming new first to routes such a JFK, LAX, SIN, SYD etc I am sure there is no shortage of spenders. It will also depend on the success of the upcoming new Club World seat and if it will suffice to the needs to premium spenders.
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I think BA May be chasing the market here, as opposed to doing something new. Their current F proposition is different to those offered by their European and Eastern alternatives
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If new CW is the enclosed Suite some are hoping for, F will have to be quite a step up - so the loss of Avios bookings, may not be so terrible.
When QR designed the QSuites product, it was because the airline had previously announced it did not see a future for F (in general).
As such, the QSuite product is a halfway house between current J products, and the expectations of F (with a focus on privacy).
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When QR designed the QSuites product, it was because the airline had previously announced it did not see a future for F (in general).
As such, the QSuite product is a halfway house between current J products, and the expectations of F (with a focus on privacy).
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