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Old Mar 3, 19, 3:14 pm
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Is there any way we can get back to discussing the new F - whatever it may be, rather than who should or should not be flying in F?

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Old Mar 3, 19, 3:58 pm
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Originally Posted by lloydah View Post
Cutting through some of the verbiage on this thread it seems, perhaps, that the thought is "fewer seats mean higher prices and a more exclusive cabin atmosphere". My own very limited experience of a couple of BA F flights per year for about 10 years before moving to LH and finally to AF was that the fares I paid (own pocket) for the latter were very similar to those which I paid to BA. Where there was a small difference - approx £250ish TATL - I enjoyed the Porsche at Frankfurt or the BMW/Jaguar CDG from airbridge to wonderful lounge to airbridge and thought it great value for money. So am not sure a smaller BA cabin would have to price it out of the market as the new AF cabin with 4 seats and the LH 8 seats seem to be able to come into play without breaking my limited bank. Whether that meant cutting BA profits though.... perhaps it wouldn't fly after all.

smaller cabin and only present on some routes means higher fares, less redemption seats, if any.

but itís a bizarre idea that paying more makes it exclusive or the people in it better. Over many years Iíve flown in every cabin and the further forward you go, frankly the more uninteresting self entitled and rude a small minority become.

Money doesnít buy class. One of the most disgustingly things I saw was a man (certainly no gentlemen) who runs a large hedge fund* in 1A to Jfk consuming bags worth of takeaway food, throwing rubbish and left over stuff of the floor around him. Total pig worth many many $m.

or a non-lady changing a nappy mid dinner service from CPT in F. Her family money certainly did buy her any class.

Whatever the case, less seats means higher fares. Does it mean a new product? Probably not - just softer upgrades round it.

*I wonít mention the fund but he was also indiscreet over leaving his confidential data out... but so have board directors of metrobank and pearson on Jfk-lhr flights. It is amazing that self important people always assume everyone around them even in F is a pleb and no one else knows anything. Bizarre.
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Old Mar 3, 19, 5:20 pm
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Dear HMPS, I always shave in the morning, unlike most of my fellow male pax. Does that help my credibility?
Dear T8191 since you have told us how old you are , yes by all means it improves your credibility......for today's younger crowd a couple of days growth is part of the uniform. Just to make sure the "purity police" don't spot you, take some lessons on how to behave like a gent who paid the full price !
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Old Mar 3, 19, 7:31 pm
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If this was to be true ( no Amex 2-4-1 usage) then I think the cards would be withdrawn. As Amex have BA over a barrel regarding the recent data breaches I can't see them allowing the limiting of said vouchers in First as Amex deem themselves to be a premium brand & they wouldn't want to market a product that had to include the words "except 1st class" possibly a higher threshold but again that might not be something Amex would go for either. Of course as others have said BA could alter the availability ratios under their own prerogative but then you'd have to consider the fact that a product can't be sold/ marketed/ provided if a consumer cannot make use of it as it's defined ( again remembering I cant see Amex allowing the removal of First bookings anytime soon).
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Old Mar 3, 19, 8:09 pm
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I think we'll see a tightening up of availability and restrictions, but a total removal of any reward travel in First would not be received well from most high mileage FFs, and I don't think BA will do it.

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Old Mar 3, 19, 11:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Benj View Post
I meant Airside at the airport. It seems like a big deal for many. I don't mind the walk myself, it is nice to not have to worry about getting to the gate on time, or getting their too early and having to stand around.
Asian carriers provides golf carts airside for elderly and permiums.That can be really useful in poorly designed terminals - for example PVG T2, or very long walks like BKK. In a better (e.g. Norman Foster) designed terminal, say HKG, SIN, ICN or PEK T3, I don't see much point.
Escorted premium security can be a big plus. Are there oneworld arrangements?
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Old Mar 3, 19, 11:10 pm
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Originally Posted by mrvincent View Post
I think it going a little beyond this for those of us in the "regions". Our return PEK-LHR-EDI in F ended in the least premium way you could imagine. 30 min queue at immigration and 20 min queue at security, which resulted in no time for to head to the CCR (I didn't want to risk going landside and through the First Wing for FOMC - Fear Of Missing Conformance). Then straight to EDI where we had to wait 30 mins for our bags to come out in a totally random order. Compared to J with the 4 or 5 other One World airlines I've travelled on, this was laughable.

They've nailed the initial checkin etc with the First Wing, just a shame that the rest of the process/service/offering isn't of equal standard.
I've had PEK-LHR, the worst ever aircraft, service and food. T5 had a jetbridge, waited for 40 minutes for it to be open, but ultimately had to disembark by steps. The whole plane.
No fast track immigration cards until asked twice. In F! T5 Arrivals was closed when finally in the UK.
It's just rubbish and CA's routinely cheaper.
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Old Mar 3, 19, 11:13 pm
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Originally Posted by CCayley View Post
I am always astonished by these 'Armchair CEO' threads - especially when they seek to set out rules for changes that haven't happened or are even particularly certain yet. Moreover, it's BA's airline and what they accept as payment for an F ticket, whether it be cash, Avios or Green Shield stamps is, frankly, a matter for them.

IF, however, there is going to be a need for stricter criteria for admission as a passenger to the smaller First Class cabins of the future, then such criteria need to be objective, fair, non-snobbish and commercially viable. I can, in a spirit of disinterested fairness, suggest the following guidelines might be appropriate for British customers wishing to travel F (BA would obviously have to adapt these for those from other jurisdictions):

1. Flying F should obviously be a graduate privilege but BA should be open about degree class or subject. A qualification from either of the universities should suffice;
2. F passengers should live somewhere appropriate. The obvious option would be to require an address in London and the Home Counties, but this would be a little crude in that it would exclude Edinburgh but permit Romford, for example. Perhaps the Office for National Statistics could be persuaded to publish ratios of ciabatta to sausage roll sales on a geographical basis and these could be used;
3. It would obviously be necessary to exclude lottery winners, reality TV stars and other members of the nouveau riche, so customers should be required, at the time of booking, to furnish a copy of Daddy's entry in Debretts/Who's Who or the Army or Royal Navy Officer Lists. In 50 years or so, once the service has established itself, an officer career in the RAF might also be accepted;
4. As a final precaution, when priority boarding is called, those holding F boarding passes should be presented with a bowl of peas and a knife and fork. A few seats should be reserved at the back of the 'plane for anyone committing the ultimate social faux pas, and therefore needing to be downgraded, at this stage.

Apart from a few simple and fair guidelines, such as those suggested, F travel should be open to everyone who is willing to pay the price - using whatever form of payment BA chooses to accept.
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(and does using LMAO disqualify me for entering the F cabin?)
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Old Mar 3, 19, 11:16 pm
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No fast track immigration cards until asked twice. In F! T5 .
I am surprised they even gave you. I thought T5 BP will grant you fast track, thus "Fas track immigration card" Is not needed.
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Old Mar 3, 19, 11:58 pm
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Is there any way we can get back to discussing the new F - whatever it may be, rather than who should or should not be flying in F?

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Old Mar 4, 19, 3:09 am
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If this was to be true ( no Amex 2-4-1 usage) then I think the cards would be withdrawn.
Really? Does nobody use 2-4-1s in any other cabin?
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Originally Posted by TWCLAM View Post
If this was to be true ( no Amex 2-4-1 usage) then I think the cards would be withdrawn. As Amex have BA over a barrel regarding the recent data breaches I can't see them allowing the limiting of said vouchers in First as Amex deem themselves to be a premium brand & they wouldn't want to market a product that had to include the words "except 1st class" possibly a higher threshold but again that might not be something Amex would go for either. Of course as others have said BA could alter the availability ratios under their own prerogative but then you'd have to consider the fact that a product can't be sold/ marketed/ provided if a consumer cannot make use of it as it's defined ( again remembering I cant see Amex allowing the removal of First bookings anytime soon).
Maybe they could limit 1st redemptions for Gold & above, except on a 2-4-1 from the BAPP? That would really push people towards that one rather than the standard version?

To be honest, the OP's conversation could have been one working option amongst many, but people always remember the worst of them. The same way the Mail and the Sun report on Brexit.
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Old Mar 4, 19, 3:59 am
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@orbitmic, yes I thought this thread was about a new First, not redemptions! There will always be some form of redemption or upgrade Iíd bet!

Now back to seat...are they putting these F seats changes in place because the new business seat is going to upset the apple cart and they will need to say ďdonít worry F pax we will be upgrading the F seat too plus youíll this(whatever this is) on the ground which business wonít getĒ

Will F & J get doors on their suites?
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Old Mar 4, 19, 4:19 am
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Originally Posted by DFB_london View Post



smaller cabin and only present on some routes means higher fares, less redemption seats, if any.

but itís a bizarre idea that paying more makes it exclusive or the people in it better. Over many years Iíve flown in every cabin and the further forward you go, frankly the more uninteresting self entitled and rude a small minority become.

Money doesnít buy class. One of the most disgustingly things I saw was a man (certainly no gentlemen) who runs a large hedge fund* in 1A to Jfk consuming bags worth of takeaway food, throwing rubbish and left over stuff of the floor around him. Total pig worth many many $m.

*I wonít mention the fund but he was also indiscreet over leaving his confidential data out... but so have board directors of metrobank and pearson on Jfk-lhr flights. It is amazing that self important people always assume everyone around them even in F is a pleb and no one else knows anything. Bizarre.
That hedge fund manager might've been a chalet guest of mine in St Anton! He was the biggest chav going and never stopped going on about the 'designer' gear he wore.
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Old Mar 4, 19, 4:32 am
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that was 2016. and I stopped flying BA F because of this particular flight.
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