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Extended BA flight times due to conflict avoidance [Pakistan airspace closure]

Extended BA flight times due to conflict avoidance [Pakistan airspace closure]

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Old Feb 28, 19, 12:17 am
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...and here’s the BA12 routing
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Old Feb 28, 19, 12:24 am
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diverting 600 miles south to avoid India and Pakistan
Avoiding Indian airspace? Are you sure? The picture tells me otherwise.
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Old Feb 28, 19, 1:10 am
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Avoiding Indian airspace? Are you sure? The picture tells me otherwise.
That's what the captain said before we took off as a general comment, but in reality it seems Pakistan airspace is closed. You're right that our track did in fact cross the southern tip of India (as shown on the map).
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Old Feb 28, 19, 1:15 am
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That's what the captain said before we took off as a general comment, but in reality it seems Pakistan airspace is closed. You're right that our track did in fact cross the southern tip of India (as shown on the map).
From what I understand, the whole of Pakistan airspace and also the airspace over Kashmir in the north of India is shut.
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How are the ME3 flying from DXB/AUH/DOH to PEK/ICN/HND? Usually they fly via Pakistan Kashmir to reach Chinese airspace.
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Originally Posted by warakorn View Post
How are the ME3 flying from DXB/AUH/DOH to PEK/ICN/HND? Usually they fly via Pakistan Kashmir to reach Chinese airspace.
QR812 (DOHH-HND) yesterday flew over Pakistan (I assume it was before the airspace shut). Today it is flying only slightly further south to fly around Pakistan, it isn't much of a detour.
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Old Feb 28, 19, 2:24 am
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Originally Posted by warakorn View Post
How are the ME3 flying from DXB/AUH/DOH to PEK/ICN/HND? Usually they fly via Pakistan Kashmir to reach Chinese airspace.
EK322 DXB-ICN went up over Iran-Turkmenistan-Uzbekistan-Kazakhstan before entering Chinese airspace. Completely avoided Afghanistan and Pakistan
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Why is Thai unable to re-route its aircraft to reach Europe? Is a detour over Chinese airspace not permitted?
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Old Feb 28, 19, 3:52 am
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Originally Posted by noFODplease View Post
Why is Thai unable to re-route its aircraft to reach Europe? Is a detour over Chinese airspace not permitted?
Seems they didn't have permission for Chinese airspace:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=30829989&postcount=44

EDIT: Note also that there is little to no flying over the Tibetan Plateau, so it's a rather bigger detour than one would initially think.

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Old Feb 28, 19, 4:19 am
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Why is Thai unable to re-route its aircraft to reach Europe? Is a detour over Chinese airspace not permitted?
They now have permission, although quoted it as "the airspace of the Republic of China" (sic) so hopefully this does not cause more issues...
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DEL in BUD.
Thanks CIHY as that explains why my upcoming PEK - LHR is already showing a 2hr delay as the aircraft is scheduled to operate DEL the day before. Frankly I expected a worse knock on effect but we will see how it pans out on the day.
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Old Feb 28, 19, 4:49 am
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QR812 (DOHH-HND) yesterday flew over Pakistan (I assume it was before the airspace shut). Today it is flying only slightly further south to fly around Pakistan, it isn't much of a detour.
Well, how did get from the Chinese airspace to the Indian Ocean, south of Pakistan?
The only way would be to fly China - Myanmar - India - Indian Ocean ----> but that is a huge, huge detour; the quickest route is via Pakistan Kashmir -> Chinese Xianjiang - >Beijing -> South Korea.
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FWIW, it looks like some stranded aircraft are being allowed to get out. I see four SVs in the air now: two from LHE, one from ISB and one from KHI; the flight numbers suggest positioning. Also a FlyDubai appears to be positioning from MUX. That adds to the EK and WY aircraft stranded at KHI which I saw getting out yesterday (although they might have actually operated their scheduled flights).
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Old Feb 28, 19, 5:07 am
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Originally Posted by warakorn View Post
Well, how did get from the Chinese airspace to the Indian Ocean, south of Pakistan?
The only way would be to fly China - Myanmar - India - Indian Ocean ----> but that is a huge, huge detour; the quickest route is via Pakistan Kashmir -> Chinese Xianjiang - >Beijing -> South Korea.
QR812 DOH-HND 27 February



QR812 DOH-HND 28 February - currently showing arriving on time

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Old Feb 28, 19, 5:10 am
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Originally Posted by warakorn View Post
Well, how did get from the Chinese airspace to the Indian Ocean, south of Pakistan?
The only way would be to fly China - Myanmar - India - Indian Ocean ----> but that is a huge, huge detour; the quickest route is via Pakistan Kashmir -> Chinese Xianjiang - >Beijing -> South Korea.
The route today does not appear to be that much different from recent routes:-
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