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-   -   Extended BA flight times due to conflict avoidance [Pakistan airspace closure] (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/british-airways-executive-club/1958401-extended-ba-flight-times-due-conflict-avoidance-pakistan-airspace-closure.html)

Starship73 Feb 28, 2019 12:17 am
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...961464f6a.jpeg
...and here’s the BA12 routing

warakorn Feb 28, 2019 12:24 am
diverting 600 miles south to avoid India and Pakistan
Avoiding Indian airspace? Are you sure? The picture tells me otherwise.

Starship73 Feb 28, 2019 1:10 am
Originally Posted by warakorn (Post 30830282)
Avoiding Indian airspace? Are you sure? The picture tells me otherwise.
That's what the captain said before we took off as a general comment, but in reality it seems Pakistan airspace is closed. You're right that our track did in fact cross the southern tip of India (as shown on the map).

wilsnunn Feb 28, 2019 1:15 am
Originally Posted by Starship73 (Post 30830405)
That's what the captain said before we took off as a general comment, but in reality it seems Pakistan airspace is closed. You're right that our track did in fact cross the southern tip of India (as shown on the map).
From what I understand, the whole of Pakistan airspace and also the airspace over Kashmir in the north of India is shut.

warakorn Feb 28, 2019 1:24 am
How are the ME3 flying from DXB/AUH/DOH to PEK/ICN/HND? Usually they fly via Pakistan Kashmir to reach Chinese airspace.

wilsnunn Feb 28, 2019 2:03 am
Originally Posted by warakorn (Post 30830438)
How are the ME3 flying from DXB/AUH/DOH to PEK/ICN/HND? Usually they fly via Pakistan Kashmir to reach Chinese airspace.
QR812 (DOHH-HND) yesterday flew over Pakistan (I assume it was before the airspace shut). Today it is flying only slightly further south to fly around Pakistan, it isn't much of a detour.

ajeleonard Feb 28, 2019 2:24 am
Originally Posted by warakorn (Post 30830438)
How are the ME3 flying from DXB/AUH/DOH to PEK/ICN/HND? Usually they fly via Pakistan Kashmir to reach Chinese airspace.
EK322 DXB-ICN went up over Iran-Turkmenistan-Uzbekistan-Kazakhstan before entering Chinese airspace. Completely avoided Afghanistan and Pakistan

noFODplease Feb 28, 2019 3:35 am
Why is Thai unable to re-route its aircraft to reach Europe? Is a detour over Chinese airspace not permitted?

etiene Feb 28, 2019 3:52 am
Originally Posted by noFODplease (Post 30830648)
Why is Thai unable to re-route its aircraft to reach Europe? Is a detour over Chinese airspace not permitted?
Seems they didn't have permission for Chinese airspace:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=30829989&postcount=44

EDIT: Note also that there is little to no flying over the Tibetan Plateau, so it's a rather bigger detour than one would initially think.

Agneisse Feb 28, 2019 4:19 am
Originally Posted by noFODplease (Post 30830648)
Why is Thai unable to re-route its aircraft to reach Europe? Is a detour over Chinese airspace not permitted?
They now have permission, although quoted it as "the airspace of the Republic of China" (sic) so hopefully this does not cause more issues...

Robespierre Feb 28, 2019 4:34 am
Originally Posted by Can I help you (Post 30827509)
DEL in BUD.
Thanks CIHY as that explains why my upcoming PEK - LHR is already showing a 2hr delay as the aircraft is scheduled to operate DEL the day before. Frankly I expected a worse knock on effect but we will see how it pans out on the day.

warakorn Feb 28, 2019 4:49 am
QR812 (DOHH-HND) yesterday flew over Pakistan (I assume it was before the airspace shut). Today it is flying only slightly further south to fly around Pakistan, it isn't much of a detour.
Well, how did get from the Chinese airspace to the Indian Ocean, south of Pakistan?
The only way would be to fly China - Myanmar - India - Indian Ocean ----> but that is a huge, huge detour; the quickest route is via Pakistan Kashmir -> Chinese Xianjiang - >Beijing -> South Korea.

Globaliser Feb 28, 2019 5:05 am
FWIW, it looks like some stranded aircraft are being allowed to get out. I see four SVs in the air now: two from LHE, one from ISB and one from KHI; the flight numbers suggest positioning. Also a FlyDubai appears to be positioning from MUX. That adds to the EK and WY aircraft stranded at KHI which I saw getting out yesterday (although they might have actually operated their scheduled flights).

KARFA Feb 28, 2019 5:07 am
Originally Posted by warakorn (Post 30830773)
Well, how did get from the Chinese airspace to the Indian Ocean, south of Pakistan?
The only way would be to fly China - Myanmar - India - Indian Ocean ----> but that is a huge, huge detour; the quickest route is via Pakistan Kashmir -> Chinese Xianjiang - >Beijing -> South Korea.
QR812 DOH-HND 27 February

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/na9xR2.png

QR812 DOH-HND 28 February - currently showing arriving on time

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/pCwVVV.png

Globaliser Feb 28, 2019 5:10 am
Originally Posted by warakorn (Post 30830773)
Well, how did get from the Chinese airspace to the Indian Ocean, south of Pakistan?
The only way would be to fly China - Myanmar - India - Indian Ocean ----> but that is a huge, huge detour; the quickest route is via Pakistan Kashmir -> Chinese Xianjiang - >Beijing -> South Korea.
The route today does not appear to be that much different from recent routes:-


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