Probable A380 Program Termination This Week - No last minute BA Order
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IAG's yields will be weighed down quite a bit by Iberia and Aer Lingus, so as you say a straight LH vs. BA comparison would be interesting. For 2017, LH Group 'network airlines' (LH, LX and OS) are 85% of passenger revenue (ignoring the logistics segments, etc.) with the remaining 15% being Eurowings et al. For IAG, BA was only just over 60% of passenger revenues, with EI and IB presumably targeting higher yields than Eurowings but nowhere near the level of LH, LX and OS. VY is obviously in the Eurowings bucket.
BA's 2017 annual report (y/e 31.12.2017) gives a figure for passenger revenue per RPK of 7.51 pence (page 6, PDF page 9)
LH's 2017 annual report (y/e 31.12.2017) gives a figure for network airlines (LH, LX, OS) passenger revenue per RPK of 9.9 cents (page 43) - the individual LH, LX and OS figures do not state the yield for each airline
Using the exchange rate as at 31.12.2017, I make the LH group network figure 8.79 pence.
Those figures convert to 10.15 USD cents and 11.88 USD cents respectively. Although this is a pretty crude way of approaching things, this suggests that the gap between BA and the LH group network airlines is (as one would expect) a bit smaller than the gap from the IAG group number.
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https://www.aviationweek.com/commerc...d-a380-program
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They've also made some terrible internal decisions in an effort to increase the numbers of local Chinese staff within the company.
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It is sad, because I like the A380, even in Y. I have flown EK many times and tomorrow I'll fly again to AMS-DXB-BNE, both A380 flights. Maybe my last 380 flight ?? Or will EK (and the other A380 airlines) keep them for several years for a few high density connections ?
But I hear that the 787 and 350 are lovely airplanes as well, I have never been inside these.
Isn't it ths case that the reason EK canceled because of the engines are not efficient enough ? Maybe sometime in the future, airlines can get an engine upgrade, or do I think too simplistic ?
I understand that 777X / 787 / 350 are more versatile, more suitable for point to point connections than an A380.
On the other hand, EK complains about fuel efficience which is not as good as the 777 / 787 / 350, but why do they make so many fuel inefficient ULH flights for which they even sacrifice 24 Y seats in the rear for a rest area for a spare crew ?
Why don't they fly to Australia / NZ with a single stop in Asia instead of nonstop ? Two hours longer, but less fuel consumption.
But I hear that the 787 and 350 are lovely airplanes as well, I have never been inside these.
Isn't it ths case that the reason EK canceled because of the engines are not efficient enough ? Maybe sometime in the future, airlines can get an engine upgrade, or do I think too simplistic ?
I understand that 777X / 787 / 350 are more versatile, more suitable for point to point connections than an A380.
On the other hand, EK complains about fuel efficience which is not as good as the 777 / 787 / 350, but why do they make so many fuel inefficient ULH flights for which they even sacrifice 24 Y seats in the rear for a rest area for a spare crew ?
Why don't they fly to Australia / NZ with a single stop in Asia instead of nonstop ? Two hours longer, but less fuel consumption.
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As it happens they do retain a few stopping services via Asia, but those are being reduced. Many pax who book those stopping services actually do so without realising.
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It is sad, because I like the A380, even in Y. I have flown EK many times and tomorrow I'll fly again to AMS-DXB-BNE, both A380 flights. Maybe my last 380 flight ?? Or will EK (and the other A380 airlines) keep them for several years for a few high density connections ?
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Many years ago I did LGW-DXB-SIN-BNE on EK in F and while it was very comfortable it was an exhausting journey. But it was 1000 cheaper than business on CX which in turn was quite a bit cheaper than BA/QF.
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It is sad, because I like the A380, even in Y. I have flown EK many times and tomorrow I'll fly again to AMS-DXB-BNE, both A380 flights. Maybe my last 380 flight ?? Or will EK (and the other A380 airlines) keep them for several years for a few high density connections ?
But I hear that the 787 and 350 are lovely airplanes as well, I have never been inside these.
Isn't it ths case that the reason EK canceled because of the engines are not efficient enough ? Maybe sometime in the future, airlines can get an engine upgrade, or do I think too simplistic ?
I understand that 777X / 787 / 350 are more versatile, more suitable for point to point connections than an A380.
On the other hand, EK complains about fuel efficience which is not as good as the 777 / 787 / 350, but why do they make so many fuel inefficient ULH flights for which they even sacrifice 24 Y seats in the rear for a rest area for a spare crew ?
Why don't they fly to Australia / NZ with a single stop in Asia instead of nonstop ? Two hours longer, but less fuel consumption.
But I hear that the 787 and 350 are lovely airplanes as well, I have never been inside these.
Isn't it ths case that the reason EK canceled because of the engines are not efficient enough ? Maybe sometime in the future, airlines can get an engine upgrade, or do I think too simplistic ?
I understand that 777X / 787 / 350 are more versatile, more suitable for point to point connections than an A380.
On the other hand, EK complains about fuel efficience which is not as good as the 777 / 787 / 350, but why do they make so many fuel inefficient ULH flights for which they even sacrifice 24 Y seats in the rear for a rest area for a spare crew ?
Why don't they fly to Australia / NZ with a single stop in Asia instead of nonstop ? Two hours longer, but less fuel consumption.
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Now Airbus has confirmed it.
Still some deliveries out to 2021.
Hopefully the plane has some decent life expectancy so we can still fly it for 15 more years after.
Airbus and Emirates reach agreement on A380 fleet, sign new widebody orders
Emirates has also decided to continue growing with Airbus’ newest generation, flexible widebody aircraft, ordering 40 A330-900 and 30 A350-900 aircraft.
“As a result of this decision we have no substantial A380 backlog and hence no basis to sustain production, despite all our sales efforts with other airlines in recent years. This leads to the end of A380 deliveries in 2021,” said Airbus Chief Executive Officer Tom Enders. “The consequences of this decision are largely embedded in our 2018 full year results”.
“The A380 is not only an outstanding engineering and industrial achievement. Passengers all over the world love to fly on this great aircraft. Hence today’s announcement is painful for us and the A380 communities worldwide. But, keep in mind that A380s will still roam the skies for many years to come and Airbus will of course continue to fully support the A380 operators,” Tom Enders added.
“The A380 is Emirates’ flagship and has contributed to the airline’s success for more than ten years. As much as we regret the airline’s position, selecting the A330neo and A350 for its future growth is a great endorsement of our very competitive widebody aircraft family,” said Guillaume Faury, President of Airbus Commercial Aircraft and future Airbus CEO. “Going forward, we are fully committed to deliver on the longstanding confidence Emirates is placing in Airbus.”
Airbus will start discussions with its social partners in the next few weeks regarding the 3,000 to 3,500 positions potentially impacted over the next three years. However, the ongoing A320 ramp-up and the new widebody order from Emirates Airline will offer a significant number of internal mobility opportunities.
Still some deliveries out to 2021.
Hopefully the plane has some decent life expectancy so we can still fly it for 15 more years after.
Airbus and Emirates reach agreement on A380 fleet, sign new widebody orders
- Emirates to reduce its A380 orderbook by 39 aircraft
- Orders 40 A330neo and 30 A350s
- Last delivery of A380 scheduled for 2021
Emirates has also decided to continue growing with Airbus’ newest generation, flexible widebody aircraft, ordering 40 A330-900 and 30 A350-900 aircraft.
“As a result of this decision we have no substantial A380 backlog and hence no basis to sustain production, despite all our sales efforts with other airlines in recent years. This leads to the end of A380 deliveries in 2021,” said Airbus Chief Executive Officer Tom Enders. “The consequences of this decision are largely embedded in our 2018 full year results”.
“The A380 is not only an outstanding engineering and industrial achievement. Passengers all over the world love to fly on this great aircraft. Hence today’s announcement is painful for us and the A380 communities worldwide. But, keep in mind that A380s will still roam the skies for many years to come and Airbus will of course continue to fully support the A380 operators,” Tom Enders added.
“The A380 is Emirates’ flagship and has contributed to the airline’s success for more than ten years. As much as we regret the airline’s position, selecting the A330neo and A350 for its future growth is a great endorsement of our very competitive widebody aircraft family,” said Guillaume Faury, President of Airbus Commercial Aircraft and future Airbus CEO. “Going forward, we are fully committed to deliver on the longstanding confidence Emirates is placing in Airbus.”
Airbus will start discussions with its social partners in the next few weeks regarding the 3,000 to 3,500 positions potentially impacted over the next three years. However, the ongoing A320 ramp-up and the new widebody order from Emirates Airline will offer a significant number of internal mobility opportunities.
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But the program termination is confirmed by Airbus directly in the third para above.
But the program termination is confirmed by Airbus directly in the third para above.
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That yield graph strikes me as quite odd, as 2015 is when yields drops, yet that is also when oil prices crashed. Fuel should have been much cheaper in 2015-and again in 16 than in 2014, which should have boosted yields. Or was there a proportionately greater loss of customers in the oil and gas markets than was made up for in lower fuel costs?
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That yield graph strikes me as quite odd, as 2015 is when yields drops, yet that is also when oil prices crashed. Fuel should have been much cheaper in 2015-and again in 16 than in 2014, which should have boosted yields. Or was there a proportionately greater loss of customers in the oil and gas markets than was made up for in lower fuel costs?
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Official Announcement - A380 Production to End in 2021
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/pres...dy-orders.html
Emirates to take only 15 more frames but orders large number of A330 NEO and A350
Wonder if BA will order any as an end-of-line top-up. As mentioned earlier in the thread, WW has frequently said BA could use more of them, but not at the price Airbus is asking.
Emirates to take only 15 more frames but orders large number of A330 NEO and A350
Wonder if BA will order any as an end-of-line top-up. As mentioned earlier in the thread, WW has frequently said BA could use more of them, but not at the price Airbus is asking.