Probable A380 Program Termination This Week - No last minute BA Order
Feb 13, 2019, 11:34 pm
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https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/pres...dy-orders.html
Emirates to take only 15 more frames but orders large number of A330 NEO and A350
Wonder if BA will order any as an end-of-line top-up. As mentioned earlier in the thread, WW has frequently said BA could use more of them, but not at the price Airbus is asking.
Emirates to take only 15 more frames but orders large number of A330 NEO and A350
Wonder if BA will order any as an end-of-line top-up. As mentioned earlier in the thread, WW has frequently said BA could use more of them, but not at the price Airbus is asking.
Feb 13, 2019, 11:49 pm
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Yes there are long-lead items to consider from sub-contractors so there may only be a small window of opportunity if any other airline wants to consider a top-off order. Particularly if there are some expensive long-lead items built as part of a batch that would otherwise now have to be scrapped - it is better to sell a few more frames at a heavy discount to get some return for any 380-unique parts stock which would otherwise now be scrapped.
I agree it is unlikely - but it has certainly happened before and currently Boeing are offering it with the 77W
Feb 14, 2019, 12:02 am
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Just been confirmed on BBC news , sad day
Edit: Seems Emirates also just placed an order for 70 odd A330 and A350 aircraft at the same time as reducing their A380 order.
Edit: Seems Emirates also just placed an order for 70 odd A330 and A350 aircraft at the same time as reducing their A380 order.
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Feb 14, 2019, 2:04 am
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A sad day for passengers. As detailed upthread by others the idea of setting foot on 777’s now fills me with dread - nasty aircraft.
However as long as there’s A350, 787’s and 380’s still flying I’ll be happy, with some upper deck or F 747 thrown in also
I’ve not looked into the 777X but presume it’s as big an advancement in NVH as the 747-8 ie none. But at least the cargo capacity is good.....
However as long as there’s A350, 787’s and 380’s still flying I’ll be happy, with some upper deck or F 747 thrown in also
I’ve not looked into the 777X but presume it’s as big an advancement in NVH as the 747-8 ie none. But at least the cargo capacity is good.....
Feb 14, 2019, 2:11 am
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I think the only second hand aircraft is the HiFly operated one which was used as a Thunderbird to rescue the Norwegian Pax in the US once LGW re-opened.
I expect that the lessors will be holding the baby as the residual value after 10 years will be minimal as the second hand parts market needs an large active fleet to be really worthwhile. Assume 50% residual value after 10 years at a new price of $350M (I don’t work in Aircraft Finance so have no idea of the real figures) and multiply by 250 aircraft and you get an impression of the financial damage that might be floating around the global finance system waiting to land.
I expect that the lessors will be holding the baby as the residual value after 10 years will be minimal as the second hand parts market needs an large active fleet to be really worthwhile. Assume 50% residual value after 10 years at a new price of $350M (I don’t work in Aircraft Finance so have no idea of the real figures) and multiply by 250 aircraft and you get an impression of the financial damage that might be floating around the global finance system waiting to land.
Feb 14, 2019, 2:33 am
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I just know I'll be shot down for this, but what is the seeming hatred of the 777 driven by? Is it just the perception of the CW cabin as a "dorm" or is there something else behind it? Personally I think the 777 is a great aircraft.
Feb 14, 2019, 2:35 am
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Feb 14, 2019, 2:42 am
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I think the only second hand aircraft is the HiFly operated one which was used as a Thunderbird to rescue the Norwegian Pax in the US once LGW re-opened.
I expect that the lessors will be holding the baby as the residual value after 10 years will be minimal as the second hand parts market needs an large active fleet to be really worthwhile. Assume 50% residual value after 10 years at a new price of $350M (I don’t work in Aircraft Finance so have no idea of the real figures) and multiply by 250 aircraft and you get an impression of the financial damage that might be floating around the global finance system waiting to land.
I expect that the lessors will be holding the baby as the residual value after 10 years will be minimal as the second hand parts market needs an large active fleet to be really worthwhile. Assume 50% residual value after 10 years at a new price of $350M (I don’t work in Aircraft Finance so have no idea of the real figures) and multiply by 250 aircraft and you get an impression of the financial damage that might be floating around the global finance system waiting to land.
Feb 14, 2019, 2:42 am
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Also air quality is poor (very dry and often I seem to develop a cold in the next couple of days), in addition to lower pressurization - it's the only aircraft I regularly seem to get a nosebleed after flying. Turbulence much more apparent than on an A380 (and even the A350, which you feel flex in a strange but not as unpleasant way rather than being bumped around by turbulence).
Feb 14, 2019, 2:59 am
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- Dorm like CW
- Higher cabin pressure than modern aircraft like 787, 350, 380
- Dryer air
- Did I mention noisy?
Feb 14, 2019, 3:01 am
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That yield graph strikes me as quite odd, as 2015 is when yields drops, yet that is also when oil prices crashed. Fuel should have been much cheaper in 2015-and again in 16 than in 2014, which should have boosted yields. Or was there a proportionately greater loss of customers in the oil and gas markets than was made up for in lower fuel costs?
Feb 14, 2019, 3:03 am
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Coincidentally, this thread has recently come back to life on the QF board: So glad QF never bought those noisy 777s
Feb 14, 2019, 4:23 am
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Depends on where you sit. The newer aircraft (including the 380, but also the 350 and 787) have, as said, higher cabin pressure and less engine noise. But the rear of the 777 is rather noisy. And, yet, that is a real difference with the 1980s with the 707 and DC8 with horrible noise. Even the first generation jumbo (747-200) was more noisy, I flew that plane several times during that era. I bet that the 777X has less noise and better cabin pressure as well.
But I consider noise generated by galley work more bothersome, so I prefer seats as far away from the galleys.
Fortunately, with EK you can book seats Y seats in the very front of the plane (rows 41-50), which also are less noisy. I have done that for my flight tonight to BNE.
But I consider noise generated by galley work more bothersome, so I prefer seats as far away from the galleys.
Fortunately, with EK you can book seats Y seats in the very front of the plane (rows 41-50), which also are less noisy. I have done that for my flight tonight to BNE.