Back up FFP

Old Feb 3, 19, 5:57 am
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Back up FFP

Hello All,

I'm 10 tier points shy of renewing my gold status (which I have to do by August) and I am wondering whether I should book non BA/oneworld flights to start building up a back up FFP. My travel patterns are predominately trans-atlantic, business and first, as well as Europe in business. I'm based in London. Do you think I should bother, if so, Miles and More given my spent?

Thank you for your advice!!
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Old Feb 3, 19, 5:59 am
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Why not enjoy the status you have? Crush gold and get to GGL, or at least enjoy gold itself.
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Old Feb 3, 19, 6:01 am
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Originally Posted by footballfanatic View Post
Why not enjoy the status you have? Crush gold and get to GGL, or at least enjoy gold itself.
I know...I'm suffering from 'the grass is greener on the other side syndrom...' plus I am courious about other products...
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Old Feb 3, 19, 6:13 am
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I know...I'm suffering from 'the grass is greener on the other side syndrom...' plus I am courious about other products...
If you're not making BA Gold, the same flying pattern may well not get you the LH SEN, so do your homework very carefully about whether you will indeed qualify.

Then, of course, thoroughly compare the benefits of the programme, quality of lounges (e.g. space, food & beverages), earn/burn ratio etc.

No, the grass is NOT greener, on average, IMO.

One thing you could look at is to have a second FFP in another alliance anyway, without chasing status.

Signed: LH SEN, SQ PPS, A3 Gold*, QF LTG & last but not least, BA GGL/CCR/LTG, giving me a fair few opportunities to compare and contrast between programmes

*In case you're wondering about the point of having status in 3 Star Alliance programmes, simple answers are:
LH SEN: Access to certain F redemption not available through non-M&M
SQ PPS: x2 baggage allowance (Star Gold only gives 1 bag or 20 kg extra)
A3: Benefits /earning on OA which is NOT a Star member
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Old Feb 3, 19, 6:15 am
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Originally Posted by Knightsbridge View Post
I know...I'm suffering from 'the grass is greener on the other side syndrom...' plus I am courious about other products...
If you fly a reasonable amount of Lufthansa (or whatever) and/or it's a valid alternative for some of your travel then yes it makes sense to have one account in each of the main 3 alliances. Lufthansa isn't the easiest one to get status, so if (e.g.) TK is more useful given your travel pattern you should look at that - but I'd see it more as getting some frequent flyer points/miles to do things when BAEC can't help. I am sceptical of the value of maintaining multiple frequent flyer schemes within the same alliance since that is the way to having small buckets of expiring points all over the place.
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Old Feb 3, 19, 6:25 am
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If you're going to chase *A status just beware that many LH shorthaul C fares earn nothing with either A3 or TK programmes. Given that LH is the major *A carrier in Europe that can be a catch and M&M is now revenue based too. If you are going to use LH then look at SK Eurobonus which still earns well on all but the cheapest fares.
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Old Feb 3, 19, 6:46 am
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Originally Posted by Knightsbridge View Post
Hello All,

I'm 10 tier points shy of renewing my gold status (which I have to do by August) and I am wondering whether I should book non BA/oneworld flights to start building up a back up FFP. My travel patterns are predominately trans-atlantic, business and first, as well as Europe in business. I'm based in London. Do you think I should bother, if so, Miles and More given my spent?

Thank you for your advice!!
Personally, I think the benefits of status are marginal when you can travel in a premium cabin (with the BA exception of being able to preselect seats for free). I'd book on schedule & price. If the Virgin product works for you, their earn rates in upper class can be quite favourable (400% of miles flown plus status bonus for flexible tickets).
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Old Feb 3, 19, 8:45 am
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I don't have a backup FFP in the sense that you're talking about, but I have a 'bail out' FFP researched in case adverse changes happen to BAEC. I'll probably jump to Flying Blue.
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Old Feb 3, 19, 9:28 am
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Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave View Post
I am sceptical of the value of maintaining multiple frequent flyer schemes within the same alliance since that is the way to having small buckets of expiring points all over the place.
I agree with your general assessment. In my case I have built up a substantial stash (ton?) of AA miles. AA miles are an incredibly useful alternative to Avios and I've not forgone a single tier point in the process.
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Old Feb 3, 19, 9:34 am
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Many schemes work on a calendar year so why not a back up indeed, but as others say, I certainly wouldn't pick that within OW. Look at whether ST or *A is good for you and if you want status or useable miles. If *A, TK, A3 and SK all have advantages. If ST, AF-KL is probably your best bet for status and AZ for miles.
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Old Feb 3, 19, 9:38 am
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You could ask TK for status match. I did a few years ago and they gave it pretty quickly. I got Star Alliance GOLD for 2 years and had never flown Star Alliance
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Old Feb 3, 19, 9:53 am
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You could ask TK for status match. I did a few years ago and they gave it pretty quickly. I got Star Alliance GOLD for 2 years and had never flown Star Alliance
Now they have a status challenge more than a status match (See relevant thread in TK forum); a bit more complicated but always better than starting from scratch. And renewing at 25K/year or 37.5K/2 years is not that difficult, comparing to other FFPs.
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Old Feb 3, 19, 12:43 pm
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Thank you all for your advice, much appreciated. Being LON based it is a no brainer to maintain Gold Status on BA, so I will make sure I will always maintain that. Unfortunately (or fortunately) I don't fly enough to achieve GGL, but I can still continue to chip away on lifetime gold and collect avios. For the other flights, I'll be a free agent and select them on schedule and price.
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Old Feb 3, 19, 1:00 pm
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Go for it. Since BA doesnt roll over excess tier points, I stop using them when I reach Gold. I have built up my Flying Blue Platinum status and Aegean Silver (which gives 2 upgrade coupons and 4 voucher to access their lounges). AF/KL ended up taking most of my business as with the roll over policy I will reach Platinum for life quite easily.
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Old Feb 3, 19, 1:02 pm
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Originally Posted by orbitmic View Post
Many schemes work on a calendar year so why not a back up indeed, but as others say, I certainly wouldn't pick that within OW. Look at whether ST or *A is good for you and if you want status or useable miles. If *A, TK, A3 and SK all have advantages. If ST, AF-KL is probably your best bet for status and AZ for miles.
AZ have had massive devaluations lately. They might have been good for mileage at some point, but definitely not now. Not that flying blue is that much better in this respect tbh.
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