ORC for same-day change on AA, with downgrade
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ORC for same-day change on AA, with downgrade
Question about Original routing credit: I'm flying in the USA on a 125 ticket, crediting to BAEC. I decided to get an earlier flight, but there was no "first class" (D) availability so my rebooked flights are in the AA premium plus cabin.
Considering this was me electing to get different flights, im wondering if it's possible to get original routing credit (I..E 40TP / segment) or if my volunteering to get another flight means that I will only get 10.
Has anyone tried? What will BA say?
Considering this was me electing to get different flights, im wondering if it's possible to get original routing credit (I..E 40TP / segment) or if my volunteering to get another flight means that I will only get 10.
Has anyone tried? What will BA say?
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Both answers are correct: in many cases (but not always) the system will automatically credit you for J. However, when it doesn't - and that happens too - you are not eligible for ORC as it was effectively your choice to pick an earlier flight in Y rather than your original, normally functioning flight in first.
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I agree with orbitmic. The OP will get one or the other, it will depend how the gate handled the ticket (you will have noticed the gate agents there seem to do a lot of typing before boarding starts) and it also depends on the sector immediately before too, in terms of the ticket process flow. So the OP will be able to get some TPs and Avios if revenue, but if it is the lower amount associated with Main Cabin travel then there is no come back, it is what it is. In the case of AA as the main ORC thread shows albeit inconsistently, even if there was an involuntary downgrade on a AA marketed ticket, you may end up with the TPs / Avios as travelled rather as paid for. That guide is in the Dashboard.
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Question about Original routing credit: I'm flying in the USA on a 125 ticket, crediting to BAEC. I decided to get an earlier flight, but there was no "first class" (D) availability so my rebooked flights are in the AA premium plus cabin.
Considering this was me electing to get different flights, im wondering if it's possible to get original routing credit (I..E 40TP / segment) or if my volunteering to get another flight means that I will only get 10.
Has anyone tried? What will BA say?
Considering this was me electing to get different flights, im wondering if it's possible to get original routing credit (I..E 40TP / segment) or if my volunteering to get another flight means that I will only get 10.
Has anyone tried? What will BA say?
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Thanks. I've asked politely using the instructions at https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...r-s-guide.html to email BA. I quite like the format of the letter, so I used it nearly exactly, except explaining that the agent at check-in moved my flights forward for me instead of claiming anything to do with it being an IRROP.
Will see what happens. Thanks for the advice, anecdotes and expectation setting. If I get a 'no', I'll just drop it.
Will see what happens. Thanks for the advice, anecdotes and expectation setting. If I get a 'no', I'll just drop it.
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Thanks. I've asked politely using the instructions at https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...r-s-guide.html to email BA. I quite like the format of the letter, so I used it nearly exactly, except explaining that the agent at check-in moved my flights forward for me instead of claiming anything to do with it being an IRROP.
Will see what happens. Thanks for the advice, anecdotes and expectation setting. If I get a 'no', I'll just drop it.
Will see what happens. Thanks for the advice, anecdotes and expectation setting. If I get a 'no', I'll just drop it.
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you aren’t entitled to ORC and saying that the agent brought your flight forward is somewhat questionable in morality IMHO.
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It sounds to me as though OP used AA's same day change facility which would be fee-free for a person with OP's OW status. That will have been coded as a voluntary change and reporting this as the "agent brought my flight forward" won't fool BA or AA.
OP will either get the ORC because of the coding or he won't. It is not due to him as he was free to reject the free change he asked for, but the system is imperfect and this is a place where it sometimes works to the passenger's benefit. Just stick to the truth and it will work out just as well or better.
OP will either get the ORC because of the coding or he won't. It is not due to him as he was free to reject the free change he asked for, but the system is imperfect and this is a place where it sometimes works to the passenger's benefit. Just stick to the truth and it will work out just as well or better.
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AA does things a lot differently in that in many ways they sort of take the mindset of selling you passage first and then charging a premium for traveling in more comfort. They're often surprised when I ask about same day flight change and that I only want to accept an earlier flight if I stay in my higher class of service.
Now whether or not AA will approve the ORC for this scenario remains to be seen, but the OP did pay for the higher class of service and already suffered enough traveling in a lower class of service, so why also remove them of the tier points for which they paid?
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Thanks. I've asked politely using the instructions at https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...r-s-guide.html to email BA. I quite like the format of the letter, so I used it nearly exactly, except explaining that the agent at check-in moved my flights forward for me instead of claiming anything to do with it being an IRROP.
Will see what happens. Thanks for the advice, anecdotes and expectation setting. If I get a 'no', I'll just drop it.
Will see what happens. Thanks for the advice, anecdotes and expectation setting. If I get a 'no', I'll just drop it.
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I mostly disagree, because the OP paid for the higher class of travel, but accepted a downgrade to travel sooner. The OP didn't claim to lie and say it was due to IRROPs. I don't see this as being immoral, and really I don't see it as being any different than getting onboard and offering to sit in an economy seat to be next to your spouse, giving someone else a free upgrade.
AA does things a lot differently in that in many ways they sort of take the mindset of selling you passage first and then charging a premium for traveling in more comfort. They're often surprised when I ask about same day flight change and that I only want to accept an earlier flight if I stay in my higher class of service.
Now whether or not AA will approve the ORC for this scenario remains to be seen, but the OP did pay for the higher class of service and already suffered enough traveling in a lower class of service, so why also remove them of the tier points for which they paid?
AA does things a lot differently in that in many ways they sort of take the mindset of selling you passage first and then charging a premium for traveling in more comfort. They're often surprised when I ask about same day flight change and that I only want to accept an earlier flight if I stay in my higher class of service.
Now whether or not AA will approve the ORC for this scenario remains to be seen, but the OP did pay for the higher class of service and already suffered enough traveling in a lower class of service, so why also remove them of the tier points for which they paid?
I refer you to the AA guide on ORC FAQ: Involuntary Reroute and Original Routing Credit (ORC) (master thd), clearly voluntarily taking SDFC means that even in AA’s own programme you get the miles for the flight that is actually flown.
Concealing the fact that it was a voluntary change in my opinion is wrong and demonstrates insight.
Last edited by navylad; Feb 4, 2019 at 5:19 pm