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Old Jan 29, 19, 9:17 am
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Originally Posted by skippythelizard View Post
You might have been thinking of how the GUF1 and GUF2 can use revenue class availability (A/I classes) when booked through a TA.

Or, how a GGL can open extra away/upgrade availability twice a year.

Both of those are very useful benefits...
I doubt this is what @bisonrav was thinking. He is too much aware of the program to get that mixed up.

However, golds do get access to more redemption availabilability than silvers and lower, which can be utilised as straight redemptions or to UUA.
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Old Jan 29, 19, 9:27 am
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The value in BA's programme is better mileage accrual on cheap tickets (not revenue based basically), no minimum spend, lounge access on ANY oneworld flight (even first class lounges, when available), good redemption opportunities in Y (even close to departure), and it's also fairly cheap to attain (£3000 at most)
How about full disclosure such as A Often the redemptions you want maybe booked up months in advance ( read 330 days!). High cost of airline imposed FEES .
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Old Jan 29, 19, 9:28 am
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Originally Posted by madfish View Post


I doubt this is what @bisonrav

However, golds do get access to more redemption availabilability than silvers and lower, which can be utilised as straight redemptions or to UUA.
What are the UuA additional that Gold get ? Sure I can double up and release but there's no additional redemptions beyond G ?
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Old Jan 29, 19, 9:30 am
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WTAF. I have to PAY to use the certificate? What a racket.
If you want upgrades BAEC is not for you, about 60 BA flights last year, (maybe 5 in the highest class which could not have been upgraded)
Upgrade rate across the other 55 flights Zero%.

coming from a US programme this will be a disappointment!
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Old Jan 29, 19, 9:37 am
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Originally Posted by watersign View Post
WTAF. I have to PAY to use the certificate? What a racket.
No, you don't - I think there must be some confusion here. It is a one cabin upgrade, subject to availability (of revenue fare classes if booked through a Travel Agent, of redemption availability if used via BA). There's a whole thread dedicated to them linked in the Dashboard.

The only time you'd have to pay extra is if government taxes increased between cabins, for example upgrading from Y to Y+. This is a fairly rare use of a GUF - most would be from Y+ to J or J to F.

However, as you believe you'd only just scrape Gold, these are probably currently out of your reach anyway.
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Old Jan 29, 19, 10:29 am
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How about full disclosure such as A Often the redemptions you want maybe booked up months in advance ( read 330 days!). High cost of airline imposed FEES .
Nah, I've always got Y redemptions on short notice when I wanted them from the Gold inventory. Fees, yes, there are fees, but if you value avios at 1p each (who doesn't) that makes the tickets a fair price, such as 130 GBP returns on peak dates for short haul. Or about ~750 GBP for a TATL return.

If you want to get WTP or First inventory... that's another story.
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Old Jan 29, 19, 10:47 am
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Originally Posted by mikeyfly View Post
What are the UuA additional that Gold get ? Sure I can double up and release but there's no additional redemptions beyond G ?
BA release additional reward seats for gold members. These can be purchased as straight forward redemptions are can also be used for UUA purposes.

You usually see a note on the search screen to say extra seats have been released.
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Old Jan 29, 19, 11:21 am
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Originally Posted by madfish View Post


BA release additional reward seats for gold members. These can be purchased as straight forward redemptions are can also be used for UUA purposes.

You usually see a note on the search screen to say extra seats have been released.
But the extra seats are only available in Y. So how can you UuA to Y?
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Old Jan 29, 19, 12:25 pm
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Ten years of flying BA, and been upgraded once. Period. And nearly all that was as Silver or (in the last few years) Gold. But then we never fly below J anyway, which tends to limit the options ... while BA are solely interested in their operational requirements, not those of ‘status’ passengers.

As noted, if the OP is planning on upgrades ... forget it! There are other benefits, which may or may not appeal (as also noted).
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Old Jan 29, 19, 1:04 pm
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Originally Posted by thebigben View Post
The value in BA's programme is better mileage accrual on cheap tickets (not revenue based basically), no minimum spend, lounge access on ANY oneworld flight (even first class lounges, when available), good redemption opportunities in Y (even close to departure), and it's also fairly cheap to attain (£3000 at most)
I am not sure how the "£3000 at most" figure has been calculated but this needs a big caveat in my opinion. It may be possible to achieve Gold status for that sort of spend if you're based in the UK or Europe and you're willing and able to do an ex-EU tier point run in premium cabins to accrue the necessary tier points to attain status. Not everyone is. I am based in the US so doing ex-EU trips is pretty much out of the question. Work travel is subject to our corporate travel policy which in PE at best. Fares originating in the US also tend to be significantly higher than elsewhere, and the cost to UuA is now also much higher than previously. I think there needs to be a recognition that not everyone who is a BAEC member is based in the UK and can do ex-EU TP runs at the drop of a hat
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Old Jan 29, 19, 1:10 pm
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Originally Posted by madfish View Post


I doubt this is what @bisonrav was thinking. He is too much aware of the program to get that mixed up.

However, golds do get access to more redemption availabilability than silvers and lower, which can be utilised as straight redemptions or to UUA.
Sorry, but I don't think that is true.

Golds get access to V inventory for redemptions, which is an economy fare code. That can useful for short haul RFS redemptions, but it doesn't help with upgrades.
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Old Jan 29, 19, 1:13 pm
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I think the previous posts explain quite well why BA don't do upgrades based on status. If someone can get to gold for a mere 3000, doesn't make commercial sense to upgrade people based on status. To be clear, I'm not arguing against the idea of rewarding elits, but I would imagine BA would be better looking at net spend of a customer and rewarding based on their commercial importance rather than mere status alone. I know this is the much reviled method in the US (qualifying dollars), but at least it seems to make sense to the airline in terms of rewarding those who spend. Also, BA make it very easy for non-BA flyers to get to Gold by crediting their Oneworld flights. Some people have 4 flights on BA and 50 on other airlines; again, for me doesn't not make sense to then hand out priority upgrades to these people as most of their spend is elsewhere in the network. I'm sure some people may disagree with me, but just sharing my opinion. I'm aware that there are disadvantages for those who can't spend and have to fly a lot. It's about striking some kind of balance to encourage high spend and regularly flying and looking after those loyal.
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Old Jan 29, 19, 1:30 pm
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Originally Posted by watersign View Post
Here's the deal: I was 1K with United for several years, then dropped to Gold for one year, currently nothing. This year I'm doing more travel, and thinking of joining BAEC as it makes sense for the routes I'll be taking. My current plans mean I would be Silver by May, and possibly Gold by the end of the year.
What I'm not seeing is anything in the BA literature about getting free upgrades as an elite. I really valued the 6 GU certs I got as a 1K. I also liked getting complimentary upgrades on domestic (though I didn't fly domestic US much).
According to the BA site, BAEC only offers 1!! upgrade coupon at 2500 tier points?? Is there some hidden upgrade perk I don't know about?
Welcome to Europe. We do have cheaper tickets (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/10/12/why-are-flights-so-much-cheaper-in-europe-than-in-the-u-s) and whilst there are a range of reasons for this, requiring passengers to pay for upgrades if they want them is one of them.

Have you looked at AA?
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Old Jan 29, 19, 1:35 pm
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Originally Posted by watersign View Post
What I'm not seeing is anything in the BA literature about getting free upgrades as an elite. I really valued the 6 GU certs I got as a 1K. I also liked getting complimentary upgrades on domestic (though I didn't fly domestic US much)
When it comes to upgrades there is a vast difference between USA & non USA airlines. Upgrades are not given out like confetti on non USA based airlines. Non USA airlines will fly with empty premium cabin seats. With non USA airlines always expect to fly in the cabin you pay for.

In the USA airlines forums you see a lot of threads on upgrades (or rants on not getting) On non USA airlines forums very few threads on upgrades
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Old Jan 29, 19, 1:50 pm
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Originally Posted by watersign View Post
Here's the deal: I was 1K with United for several years, then dropped to Gold for one year, currently nothing. This year I'm doing more travel, and thinking of joining BAEC as it makes sense for the routes I'll be taking. My current plans mean I would be Silver by May, and possibly Gold by the end of the year.
What I'm not seeing is anything in the BA literature about getting free upgrades as an elite. I really valued the 6 GU certs I got as a 1K. I also liked getting complimentary upgrades on domestic (though I didn't fly domestic US much).
According to the BA site, BAEC only offers 1!! upgrade coupon at 2500 tier points?? Is there some hidden upgrade perk I don't know about?
Mostly good advice above, but only relevant if your location of SYD is changing. or you have an address outside AU. To my knowledge, AU residents still cannot join BAEC.
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