United codesharing on BA
Jan 22, 2019, 5:22 pm
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United codesharing on BA
As One world is generally hopeless in Canada I searched on United for MAN-YYC expecting the usual UA via EWR and KL via AMS. So imagine my surprise when MAN-LHR on BA came up as a routing option is this normal...?
Jan 22, 2019, 5:31 pm
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Totally normal - just some websites are better at picking up interline fare agreements than others. Note it's not a codeshare, as the MAN-LHR is a BA flight number rather than a UA flight number.
Interlining is the lowest level of partnership, followed by codesharing/JV/etc.
Interlining is the lowest level of partnership, followed by codesharing/JV/etc.
Jan 22, 2019, 5:35 pm
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Thanks! I had never even heard the term "interline fare". Does that mean if BA1371 was delayed UA would still have to get me to YYC? And if I was to fly in Y I could use the terraces lounge at MAN by virtue of status?
Jan 22, 2019, 5:38 pm
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When the airline lists its fare , the fare rules will detail valid routings and valid airlines - no reason why BA wouldn't have agreement with UA or AC
Alternatively it could be end-on-end ticketing where it is a BA fare from MAN-LHR plus a AC fare from LHR-YYC
As long as it is sold as a through ticketed itinerary, fully protected
Prior to the BA flight ( as long as on a BA or One World flight number ) then could use the lounge in Manchester
Not sure where UA comes into it. Looking at the screenshot, it appers to be Air Canada from London
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Jan 22, 2019, 6:58 pm
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I can't imagine UA becoming involved as it does not operate either segment.
Jan 25, 2019, 9:02 am
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You would have a ticket to fly on BA1371 MAN-LHR and you are a BA Gold. For the purposes of lounge access, it really doesn't matter whether the fare on your ticket was filed by BA, CX, QF, QR, VS, AC or UA, nor which one of them issued the ticket.
Jan 25, 2019, 9:32 am
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Jan 25, 2019, 9:52 am
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You can get the same routing/airline combo via AC’s website.
AC will sell you INV-YYC too with the first leg on BA.
UA/LH/AC all seem to sell pretty much interchangeable routings/fares on their websites.
AC will sell you INV-YYC too with the first leg on BA.
UA/LH/AC all seem to sell pretty much interchangeable routings/fares on their websites.
Jan 25, 2019, 10:47 am
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In my example BA1371 can't generate huge amounts and should it be delayed enough to miss AC871 then BA would then have to book passengers via SEA/YVR etc
Jan 25, 2019, 11:00 am
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It happens at outstations in reverse.
Even though BA and WestJet seem to just about tolerate each other, if you want to go to any of the smaller cities in Canada, BA will happily sell you a ticket with a WS connecting flight on it.
Even though BA and WestJet seem to just about tolerate each other, if you want to go to any of the smaller cities in Canada, BA will happily sell you a ticket with a WS connecting flight on it.
Jan 25, 2019, 11:06 am
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Mergers: Commission approves acquisition of British Midlands (bmi) by IAG subject to conditions
... Furthermore, IAG committed to entering into special agreements with competing airlines which operate long haul flights out of London Heathrow to provide these airlines with connecting passengers, including from UK domestic routes and other European routes. Passengers will therefore continue to have a choice to use other airlines than IAG when connecting at London Heathrow.
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... Furthermore, IAG committed to entering into special agreements with competing airlines which operate long haul flights out of London Heathrow to provide these airlines with connecting passengers, including from UK domestic routes and other European routes. Passengers will therefore continue to have a choice to use other airlines than IAG when connecting at London Heathrow.
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Wasn't it Michael Bishop who once described BD as the "tart of the skies" because BD would carry anyone's code so long as they paid?
Jan 25, 2019, 12:45 pm
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Around 50 years ago I frequently flew from Scotland via London to various points in North America. The transatlantic leg was more often on TWA, Pan Am or Delta than BA (or BOAC), although GLA (or EDI) to LHR was invariably on BEA. That was in the days of paper tickets, and I always got a single book of four coupons (unless the trip involved more than four legs, in which case there were two books stapled together).
Thus a BA-AC journey is a long-established phenomenon that is unlikely to have any connection with the absorption of BMI into BA.
Thus a BA-AC journey is a long-established phenomenon that is unlikely to have any connection with the absorption of BMI into BA.
Jan 25, 2019, 12:50 pm
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Isn't this just a case of AC's website tapping into the GDS? On the old AA website you choose between AA, oneworld or all airlines, the latter would allow you to book tickets on pretty much anyone, even DL or competitors as it was just going into SABRE...
Jan 25, 2019, 3:32 pm
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That would make sense to me as I struggle to get my head round why BA would want be a feeder flight for *A. It seems a huge risk for not much money to have the responsibility of getting passengers to their end point in the event of a delay?
In my example BA1371 can't generate huge amounts and should it be delayed enough to miss AC871 then BA would then have to book passengers via SEA/YVR etc
In my example BA1371 can't generate huge amounts and should it be delayed enough to miss AC871 then BA would then have to book passengers via SEA/YVR etc
Looking at AC's fares for MAN-YYC, it looks like a shorthaul connection can be done on various options including BA,SK,EI,BE and SN depending on the route chosen
It works in reverse too - BA may want to provide domestic travel within another country and sell seats on an airline in that country
it is a perfectly normal situation