11½-hour daytime flight in darkness
Feb 19, 2019, 9:29 am
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Yes, it makes sense on aircraft with physical blinds, but there's no logic to it when windows can be dimmed and undimmed remotely.
Feb 19, 2019, 9:30 am
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Of course there are, but this is the topic of this thread. If you have bigger things to worry about, then I suggest that you worry about them in another thread.
"Health" was probably the wrong choice of word on my part. Wellbeing would have been more appropriate vocabulary.
If you really believe missing out on a bit of daylight for a single 11 hour flight is going to do you much harm then your health must be pretty precarious as it is? Indeed the stress this seems to have caused you is likely to be more deleterious to your health than missing out on said daylight.
Feb 19, 2019, 9:32 am
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Come on now. There are 35 people on board. 35 different points of view. Some points of view - including your own - will be firmly placed. Others will have views strongly opposed to your views - don't take my word for it, you can find evidence in other FT threads on this vexed question. You cannot realistically have a referendum on this (though actually I suppose the IFE could be adapted now I think about it). Therefore no-one is going to be pleased - and logic is irrelevant here. The best way is to come up with a possibly childish rule which says "window seat controls window", and hope for commonsense adult behaviour will carry you through. I repeat that I share your view on keeping windows open.
Feb 19, 2019, 9:33 am
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It's not "your" window. It's British Airways' window and it provides daylight to everyone in the cabin, not only to the passenger next to it. See my analogy above with a restaurant.
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Feb 19, 2019, 9:34 am
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The bracketed qualification in your post says none of those things, which is what makes it sound like "daylight hours according to some definition that suits me personally".
Feb 19, 2019, 9:35 am
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I am simply suggesting that the lighting should be conventional - natural daylight during daytime and darkness at night during hours of sleep. Why interfere with everyone's bodyclocks by enforcing darkness at unnatural times when there is no significant time zone change?
Feb 19, 2019, 9:37 am
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Isn't life about compromise and having consideration towards people with different views, attitudes, circumstances etc. and not try to impose your wants and desires on others to their excessive detriment?
I'd say someone will soon deploy that usual line "Fly private" - you can then fully control your environment, including whether the window shades are open or not.
I just did...
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Feb 19, 2019, 9:38 am
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I sympathise with the OP, however there's no getting away from the logistics of the situation which is that only window seats are able to do anything with the window blinds. Expecting any consideration on a scheduled airline flight is, unfortunately, going to be an exercise in frustration.
That said, I think that taking meals in daylight on daylight flights is not an unreasonable expectation and ought to be a standard courtesy across the board. Sleepers are welcome to forego their meals and keep their eyeshades on and earplugs in.
That said, I think that taking meals in daylight on daylight flights is not an unreasonable expectation and ought to be a standard courtesy across the board. Sleepers are welcome to forego their meals and keep their eyeshades on and earplugs in.
Feb 19, 2019, 9:41 am
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I suggest you avoid flying on AA. There, the windows are locked to darkness on daytime flights by the crew; in a window seat on the sun side, you get only heat and little light from outside.
Meanwhile, they who sit in the window seat control the window shade - it should be ever so. Not the other passengers, and most assuredly the crew should not take control of them for some policy to satisfy those who complain loudest.
On a 787, each seat has quite bright overhead individual lighting if you want a brighter environment. Yet if you need to be assured of eye exposure to even brighter light, portable battery-powered SAD lights are available for you to place in front of you during flight.
Meanwhile, they who sit in the window seat control the window shade - it should be ever so. Not the other passengers, and most assuredly the crew should not take control of them for some policy to satisfy those who complain loudest.
On a 787, each seat has quite bright overhead individual lighting if you want a brighter environment. Yet if you need to be assured of eye exposure to even brighter light, portable battery-powered SAD lights are available for you to place in front of you during flight.
Feb 19, 2019, 9:49 am
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My bodyclock is often set to a time zone in another part of the globe. If I am connecting onto a day flight during my body's night I wish to have my area darkened for sleep. I would prefer if you would not dictate to me how I may sleep or remain awake.
Feb 19, 2019, 9:52 am
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Those who don't want daylight from the window can book an E seat, right in the middle, with additional privacy and shielding from light from both sides of the cabin.
Feb 19, 2019, 9:55 am
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I agree. This is why I do not believe that 10 passengers (who happen to be next to the window) should be able to dictate the daylight received by the rest of the 35 passengers.
Those who don't want daylight from the window can book an E seat, right in the middle, with additional privacy and shielding from light from both sides of the cabin.
Those who don't want daylight from the window can book an E seat, right in the middle, with additional privacy and shielding from light from both sides of the cabin.
Feb 19, 2019, 9:55 am
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This forum can be quite unpleasant at times but this is not one of them. Everyone appears to quite politely disagree with you. You are of course entitled to your opinion but there comes a time you have to accept that maybe you're the one out of step and it's a cross you'll have to just carry or you'll drive yourself insane. I sympathise and I have on occasion objected to the crew trying to lower my blinds on a day flight but if I'm not by the window, I accept it's not my call. If I do have the window, it's my call most of the time.