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Careers that allow one to get BAEC GGL at a young age

Old Jan 13, 2019, 8:34 am
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Start your own business.

That way you can travel on your own terms, taking all the ex-EU TP run itineraries to get to whatever conference you want to go. Don't want to go to a meeting? No worries, sent one of your employees instead.
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Old Jan 13, 2019, 9:02 am
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Originally posted by Dubh:
Can I just add, from my experience, the happiest chaps at Oxford college reunions seem to be the Forestry mob. (Some of them even manage to fly quite a lot!). Is it too late to change?
Find out what it is that C.W.S does, beyond sheep farming in the depths of Northumberland, and get into a role like that.
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Old Jan 13, 2019, 9:06 am
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I reckon that threads like this where young people contribute and ask advice brings out the best of us in this forum
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Old Jan 13, 2019, 9:14 am
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Whatever you do don't go to the Bar
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Old Jan 13, 2019, 9:46 am
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Originally Posted by Leaping_Deere
There are the obvious patterns,..., oil and gas,
Oil and Gas has had a very rough last 3 years, you won't be seeing any J travel as a new hire. A phrase I have heard more than once is that "oil is only found in the armpit of the world", i.e. typically not places you'd ever want to visit. Siberia or Ft St John BC in January come to mind, or Saudi in July. Or Oklahoma anytime

I've said it here before, but colleagues of mine were sent from Western Canada to Pakistan all in Y, no lounge access and a pair of 12-14 hour layovers in places they didn't have visa's for so ended up sleeping on different airport floors for 2 nights. All because the company has a "lowest fare" travel policy. They said they were walking zombies when they finally got there to negotiate a contract.

It seems that the travel policies in large companies are written by people who have never travelled. They will tear apart your expense account based on what it costs in their city, not what things cost in the places you've been sent. One of mine was they seemed to think that spending more than 50 a night for a hotel in Central London was a criminal waste of company money, and violated the travel policy. I had to send a screen shot showing a hostel at 60 before they begrudgingly accepted my expenses.
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Old Jan 13, 2019, 9:58 am
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Originally Posted by Jagboi
Oil and Gas has had a very rough last 3 years, you won't be seeing any J travel as a new hire. A phrase I have heard more than once is that "oil is only found in the armpit of the world", i.e. typically not places you'd ever want to visit.
My older brother who is an oil tanker captain will confirm that.
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Old Jan 13, 2019, 10:18 am
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Interesting feed here. It's an honest question and deserves an honest answer. As someone who does human capital development and corporate training in different continents, I get to travel quite a bit long haul now (crossing the Atlantic or Pacific about once a month from Mexico to Europe or Asia), but rarely above Y+. I'm on track for gold this year, but that's come out of pushing for Y+ where I can and getting some CE if I happen to be in Europe and able to pick up a good fare, e.g. tomorrow flying KRK to LHR in CE because it was 50 quid more than the Y fare. The J+ travelling these days is becoming more and more restricted to senior jobs. It does not mean that all companies are like this, but more people I talk to now are in Y until they reach near to director level. Companies are keen to cut costs and it is not as common as it used to be for companies to pay high fares. This is of course a generalisation and there are companies across a range of industries that will pay the higher fares. At the end of the day, if you are in any industry that is international and you are highly valuable to your firm then you'll have chances to travel. Travel is often a cost, but if you are valuable enough then it becomes an investment.

As for your choice of career, I own my own consultancy that sends people to Masters and PhD's at the world's best unis. If I had a pound for the number of people who chose each university for the wrong reasons (e.g. merely its ranking, location or historical name), I'd be a rich man. Just make sure whatever you choose is your passion and something you feel is your life's goal, not just work.

Hope that helps.
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Old Jan 13, 2019, 10:49 am
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Originally Posted by creflo
This one made me laugh out loud. No offense, but to plan your next 25 years of your LIFE on the basis of an airline status is a bit optimistic.
Someone was watching George Clooney in "Up in the Air", I guess.
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Old Jan 13, 2019, 11:47 am
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Originally Posted by JamesKidd
Drug dealer, arms dealer, drug runner, politician to name a few....
ranked in order of trustworthiness
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Old Jan 13, 2019, 12:19 pm
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As a strategy consultant working in development, don't expect to get to GGL if you want to work properly in development.

(I am, however, rapidly approaching Flying Blue Gold - and probably Plat - from (economy) flights around Africa. I keep BA Gold from mostly personal travel. If QR leaves OneWorld, it'll be a struggle to keep it.)
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Old Jan 13, 2019, 2:16 pm
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Before fully committing yourself to your studies, have you perhaps considered taking a gap-year and going travelling or even to join the armed forces like the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst (officer school)?
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Old Jan 14, 2019, 1:46 am
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This is what I did.

Get a job that pays shed loads of money, has little travel but long holiday entitlements (30 days plus bank holidays). I was a partner in a private equity fund but you don't need to be that ambitious .....

The benefits of this are:

a) business travel is a lot less fun than personal travel, so minimising it means you don't start hating flights / lounges / airline food / luxury hotels etc

b) you will earn lots of money so you can fully maximise those 30 days leave plus bank holidays to run up exciting personal travel - which, importantly, you will still find fun because you won't have become jaded due to excessive business travel

The main reason I started recruiting full time staff for Head for Points is thatI didn't want to do all the travel. I still need to find it fun. As I always say, the day I wake up in the morning and go 'sod it, another blinkin' first class flight to do today' is the day I sell up and go home.
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Old Jan 14, 2019, 2:15 am
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Originally Posted by typical
As a strategy consultant working in development, don't expect to get to GGL if you want to work properly in development.
+1 to this. As someone who took the path of working first in investment banking (which was policy J class for all trips, F is J was not available) and then shifted to economic development (policy is Y class only unless premium economy is the same cost); it was a painful transition of turning right at the boarding door after years of turning left. I strongly recommend when you are young to experience some of the seating with the masses, so that you can really appreciate business and first when it happens.

In the economic development field, there is also increasing pressure not only to spend less, but not to be seen or perceived as spending more than you need to, which is often translated into economy only. Especially if the job is funded by government, multi-lateral, or charitable funds. Thus, even though you may have enough frequent flier miles to go upfront, expect scorn and disdain from colleagues and peers. And importantly, don't be seen instagramming your champagne from the front of the plane if you are there in part on the tax-payers dime.
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Old Jan 14, 2019, 4:13 am
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I'm pretty sure this is a joke but I'll chime in anyway. I won't go into detail about what I do for work but I'm mid-20s and flying frequently (and often longhaul) at my age is actually kind of depressing. Flying should not be a chore this early in life. When I have some downtime I find myself wanting to do anything but get on a plane. Premium cabins and lounges are full of old people and crotchety middle-aged men yelling into AirPods. I don't blame them because flying every week or two already makes me grumpy, 10 more years of this and I'll be plotting to steal Christmas. I enjoy flying in economy with friends far more than flying up front by myself.

The only people I know working in international development and traveling regularly in F/J are lawyers. It arises because most law firms have their own travel policies independent of their clients' and it's still considered the norm in most markets for lawyers to travel in J. Even if a client has a corporate travel policy that limits their employees to Y they usually have to foot the bill for their lawyers to travel in J.
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Old Jan 14, 2019, 7:18 am
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As someone who used to work for MBB, if the aim is really to go for GGL at an early age, then that's your job. I know people 1-2 years out of university, analysts, who are GGL / CCR (and in at least 10 separate cases I can think of in the NY office, CK or Global Services). It is utterly terrifying how much flying is done, especially if you are on an international project. There are juniors right now who are doing London (or Munich / Frankfurt) -Hong Kong return, every week, for months on end, and who all have the highest possible tiers in the airlines they fly (i.e. GGL, HON, etc.)
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