Has BA thought about starting a 2nd daily SYD flight LHR-PER-SYD!?
Jan 9, 2019, 12:14 am
#31
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Several decades ago (~1993?) I flew BA LHR-SIN?-PER-MEL. SIN may been BKK. Will still have the ticket somewhere in a storage box. I did join BAEC and got zero avois.
BA used to fly LHR-SIN-MEL until 2006.
The ME3 airlines make it hard for any others, given their geographic position for transits. And now the Asian airlines offer Eu flights.
Many people down the back only consider price.
Only AU & NZ based airlines can fly domsetic flights (for sale) in Australia. And zero chance of that changing.
Over the years several foreign airlines have had flight between Au cities, but not available for sale.
BA used to fly LHR-SIN-MEL until 2006.
The ME3 airlines make it hard for any others, given their geographic position for transits. And now the Asian airlines offer Eu flights.
Many people down the back only consider price.
Only AU & NZ based airlines can fly domsetic flights (for sale) in Australia. And zero chance of that changing.
Over the years several foreign airlines have had flight between Au cities, but not available for sale.
So really, I'm spoilt with options - and there is no shortage of capacity - even before I've started looking at the rest of the ME3 options, and more outlandish ones like connecting in PVG. So absent a killer product (maybe new CW will change this...), it's hard to see how tying up 2/3 airframes on a new LON-MEL route would deliver worthwhile returns for BA...
Jan 9, 2019, 12:24 am
#32
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Don’t forget that the BA9/10 were until fairly recently run as LHR-BKK-SYD on the 744. If a similar thing were ever to happen again don’t suppose that the same aircraft and/or slots would necessarily continue to be used for a BKK service that was no longer a terminating route
Jan 9, 2019, 12:46 am
#33
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Forget Perth not enough demand as QR EK etc also operste 1 stop LHR services and QF is only making money on the premium cabins for which they are charging $$$$$. As someone alluded to above BKK is the key to either Melbourne or Brisbane (TG) have reduced services to 4 days per week on the latter.
Jan 9, 2019, 12:51 am
#34
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My guess would be that *if* there’s to be additional IAG service to Oz it would be BA.
Jan 9, 2019, 1:32 am
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I think some time before Qantas announced the launch of this route there was a thread here that pointed out that BA was probably well placed to operate LHR-PER non stop. Economics presumably went against that gamble. More realistic is that Melbourne could be better plumbed into the BA network, such as LHR-BKK-MEL.
Jan 9, 2019, 1:43 am
#36
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Let's face it, BA aren't innovating so why on earth would they try something like this?
From speaking to someone who I know at QF, they'd love to expand the LHR-PER flight, but slot constraints at Heathrow are their current constraint.
From a cost perspective, they can run two 787-9's for less than a single A380 and for virtually identical revenue.
CHS, MSY and places like BWI, where they're insulated against losses by both airport subsidies and the trans-Atlantic JV, plus high aircraft utilization are the safe way to generate ROIC.
From speaking to someone who I know at QF, they'd love to expand the LHR-PER flight, but slot constraints at Heathrow are their current constraint.
From a cost perspective, they can run two 787-9's for less than a single A380 and for virtually identical revenue.
CHS, MSY and places like BWI, where they're insulated against losses by both airport subsidies and the trans-Atlantic JV, plus high aircraft utilization are the safe way to generate ROIC.
Jan 9, 2019, 2:47 am
#38
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BA is seriously lacking down under
Is the A350 going to have the range of the 789?
I would more favour a hub and spoke system from SIN serving all the major Australian cities with a 788 linking in from 380s. from london!
NZ definitely needs to be back on the network ? via Santiago:-)
Is the A350 going to have the range of the 789?
I would more favour a hub and spoke system from SIN serving all the major Australian cities with a 788 linking in from 380s. from london!
NZ definitely needs to be back on the network ? via Santiago:-)
Jan 9, 2019, 2:56 am
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Jan 9, 2019, 3:40 am
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I think some time before Qantas announced the launch of this route there was a thread here that pointed out that BA was probably well placed to operate LHR-PER non stop. Economics presumably went against that gamble. More realistic is that Melbourne could be better plumbed into the BA network, such as LHR-BKK-MEL.
Jan 9, 2019, 7:17 am
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Originally posted by lcylocal:
A little left field maybe but I wonder if LGW-SIN-MEL could be made to work if Gatwick has some 787s at some point in the future. If timed around the same time as LHR-SIN-SYD so transfers between the two services were possible in Singapore, it would open up the Gatwick catchment to Australia as well as Melbourne without using up a Heathrow slot.
A little left field maybe but I wonder if LGW-SIN-MEL could be made to work if Gatwick has some 787s at some point in the future. If timed around the same time as LHR-SIN-SYD so transfers between the two services were possible in Singapore, it would open up the Gatwick catchment to Australia as well as Melbourne without using up a Heathrow slot.
Jan 9, 2019, 9:22 am
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A tied up JV type arrangement [MAD-SIN-MEL] would create an interesting network expansion, but it almost certainly presents [at the very least] too much of a commercial gamble to be entertained. The ME3 have the advantage of an entire network from their hub - you can step off your flight from MAN onto a flight to Africa just as easily as you can go to one to Aus. Any such IAG "mini-hub" at SIN wouldn't benefit from anywhere near the range of destinations [at least to start with], so would have to be surviving largely on its own.
Jan 9, 2019, 9:34 am
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Jan 10, 2019, 2:42 am
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I've just seen by the way that AY have recently agreed a codeshare partnership with China Southern, launching from April.
Undoubtedly the trend these days is towards codeshare partnerships making efficient use of other airlines' resources, rather than trying to serve far flung destinations via fifth freedom tags on one's own metal.
Originally Posted by CZ Press Release
The codeshare scheme, which is intended to start in April 22 2019 subject to regulatory approvals, will join the networks of the two airlines so that passengers of both airlines can conveniently transfer to 15 cities in Europe, 8 cities in China and 8 cities in Australia and New Zealand via Helsinki and Guangzhou.