BA A380 positioning from Heathrow to Gatwick
Jan 6, 2019, 12:35 am
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LH has started MRO in Hamburg accepting that these birds don’t fit fully in the shed.
As for environmental impact, I don’t think we can comment given the FT collective number of miles of unnecessary flying to get Ex-EU, TP runs etc.
As for environmental impact, I don’t think we can comment given the FT collective number of miles of unnecessary flying to get Ex-EU, TP runs etc.
Jan 6, 2019, 12:50 am
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Bad for the climate flying empty A380's 6000 miles for maintenance. Bad for jobs doing the same thing (ask the ship builders on the Clyde (Trump has the right idea here at least)). Maybe one day people will realize the folly of it all but by then will probably be too late
You might personally prefer fares to be increased in order to do maintenance in the UK but I doubt many would agree.
Jan 6, 2019, 1:54 am
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It really is amazing that a plane was designed with seemingly no regard for existing infrastructure. I'm not old enough to have a good perspective on 747s, but maybe it was the same for that? Every time the 380 comes in here at YVR, taxiways have to be closed and only 1 gate I believe is still equipped (it MAY be 2 now). I remember we got a diversion to/from SFO one night and it turned into a whole thing of "crap we need to move a 380 from the gate to the pad cuz only 64 can handle it"...just nuts.
Bad for the climate flying empty A380's 6000 miles for maintenance. Bad for jobs doing the same thing (ask the ship builders on the Clyde (Trump has the right idea here at least)). Maybe one day people will realize the folly of it all but by then will probably be too late
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All the above, but for the filleting piece, is my own opinion and doesn't reflect BA's position.
Jan 6, 2019, 2:05 am
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Jan 6, 2019, 2:09 am
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Thanks for your input 13900
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out ur of interest did IAG ever consider building mx infrastructure for the A388 fleet or was it always discounted ?
also are current facilities at CWL/LHR able to accommodate future deliveries?
cs
this is simply why I love Flyertalk
out ur of interest did IAG ever consider building mx infrastructure for the A388 fleet or was it always discounted ?
also are current facilities at CWL/LHR able to accommodate future deliveries?
cs
Jan 6, 2019, 4:37 am
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IAG doesn't operate enough A380s to make a maintenance facility viable - ideally at least two parallel heavy maintenance lines is the minimum efficient loading so you would be talking of a fleet approaching 50 to provide this. LHT in MNL service BA QF KE etc (as well as other types) so it is viable for them. And agree with CWS - in the last few days taxi out times at MNL have approached 90 minutes. It is a congestion nightmare, on arrival, on departure, at immigration, on the roads....The airlines have campaigned for the closure (or non use in normal ops) of the perpendicular runway - with the right equipment and run like LGW the capacity could be near doubled but the authorities have failed to grasp this. I believe NATS have even advised them thus.
Jan 6, 2019, 5:01 am
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Also makes a bit of a joke of “as part of BA’s continuous commitment to the environment...” spiel on their PA script when they fly empty A380s that sort of distance! It’s ok though because we recycle the newspapers.
Jan 6, 2019, 5:07 am
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I remember there was a similar story in the news a few years ago about how Young’s Grimsby prawns were shipped all the way to Thailand for peeling by hand, before being shipped all the way back for sale over here. Apparently this was cheaper and more efficient than using machines to do it here.
Jan 6, 2019, 5:23 am
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I can't recall the current situation regarding Phillipine airlines but a few years ago they were largely banned from flying in EU airspace due to not meeting the safety requirements.
I found it rather interesting to land at MNL (some years ago) and see 2 QF A380's in the hangar, no doubt receiving maintenance at the lowest possible cost...
I found it rather interesting to land at MNL (some years ago) and see 2 QF A380's in the hangar, no doubt receiving maintenance at the lowest possible cost...
Jan 6, 2019, 7:01 am
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Jan 6, 2019, 7:42 am
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And if someone was going to build another European A380 maintenance facility, how much energy and resources would that need compared to using the existing one in Manila?
It's always a bit complicated....
Jan 6, 2019, 7:46 am
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I've read Rose George's 90% of Everything, on the shipping industry, and it was staggering to read that it was cheaper to send fish caught in Scotland to China for filleting than to do it there.
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All the above, but for the filleting piece, is my own opinion and doesn't reflect BA's position.
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All the above, but for the filleting piece, is my own opinion and doesn't reflect BA's position.
