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If you a get a few you might get nominated by your manager and get a £50 Amazon voucher, personally I do not hand them in, some crew would kill for them, sad! |
Originally Posted by LGWClosedAgain
(Post 31262108)
One for the pilots/flight planners. How does the final flight plan that is filed with UK ATC get to all the area control centres on route? For example, say LHR-SIN, how does each ACC know what the plan is? I can’t imagine it’s individually submitted to every single FIR the flight is due to pass though. If I’m not mistake, Russia charges a hefty fee to flyover Siberia and China only allows commercial flights on a number of the very limited airways. So does each FIR have to approve the route before it’s accepted? So for the portion of an LHR-SIN flight that is inside the IFPS zone, that’s simple, but yes, for the portion outside the IFPS zone, it needs to be addressed to individual ACCs (or more accurately FIRs - Flight Information Regions, some FIRs might have more than one ACC within it, but the ANSP is responsible for ensuring the dissemination within FIRs). I’m no expert, so imagine some areas/states might have similar arrangements to IFPS (Australia I think?), where one address is used for a flight plan processing system and that system then further cascades the flight plan out as appropriate. |
Originally Posted by Waterhorse
(Post 31191076)
The Reds will formate on the Jumbo, they have the skills,the practice and the aircraft with the agility to do it. The jumbo will probably be hand flown or use very basic autopilot inputs. The Jumbo must not do any unannounced or unpredictable manoeuvres so turn entry needs to be smooth and gentle not sudden or initiated without due warning. This is most easily achieved by hand flying. There may well be a member of the Reds on the Jumbo flight deck to co-ordinate and " lead" the formation, I'm not certain of that though. There will be meetings and liaison between the pilots flying the Jumbo and the Reds, and the BA pilots are likely to be ex military themselves so not unfamiliar with the procedures and skills required
with a few more details for the public. Four pilots are listed (and named) including two safety pilots, and Flight Technical Manager on-board to manage the cameras. No word on manual flying. |
After discussion with uncle T I am posting here as some of you may or may not know, I hail from Australia, land of CTAFs, uncontrolled airspace and not that many control towers currently in the Scottish islands and surprised to find places such as benbecula, barra etc have ATC Towers (haven’t made it to westray airport yet but I suspect they do not) in australia I doubt any of these places would- smallest I can think of with a tower is Albury (possibly due to a large amount of flight school traffic), Ayers Rock is uncontrolled, places like Horn Island and certain fields on the Tiwis that can exceed 50 movements per hour (I believe) at peak times also uncontrolled so the question is, what’s the deal? Does the UK have uncontrolled airspace/uncontrolled fields at all, or are the limits just different or...what’s going on?! furthermore. If you are an ATCO in say Barra, are you expected to multi role? Or is it a part time job? (i’d imagine they’d need at least 2 controllers but obviously don’t know this, could be some kind of fly in arrangement maybe?). And if it’s a multi role thing, what on earth does an ATCO do the rest of their time? so many questions for a confused Australian! (also what’s all this about a bear obsession?!) |
The ATCO's play an absolutely vital role, such as making sure there is fresh tea in the pot for the next landing aircraft.
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Originally Posted by rapidex
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The ATCO's play an absolutely vital role, such as making sure there is fresh tea in the pot for the next landing aircraft.
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Originally Posted by nancypants
(Post 31323163)
so the question is, what’s the deal? Does the UK have uncontrolled airspace/uncontrolled fields at all, or are the limits just different or...what’s going on?!
- Anything above FL195 (19,500ft) is Class C Controlled Airspace (with a couple of weird exceptions) - Below 19,500ft, inside Airways and anywhere near major airports it's Class A/D Controlled Airspace, everywhere else it's Uncontrolled The vast majority of UK airports that have commercial service will be controlled (i.e. staffed by an ATCO), even ones that are outside Controlled Airspace (e.g. Exeter, Newquay, Farnborough, Humberside). At Barra and Benbecula (as with lots of small airfields) they have a tower but the people inside aren't controllers, they're Flight Information Officers. In the US/Australia e.t.c. their uncontrolled airports have no-one at all there, which we have here for really small airfields/airstrips, I don't believe anything commercial here flies into any uncontrolled airfields. We have far less uncontrolled airspace here than Australia as there's an awful lot of commercial aircraft to fit into not a very big country!! :) |
The upcoming development is ‘remoted ATC’, with operations being controlled at another location. ISTR trials are being conducted for London City to be controlled from London Centre down at Swanwick in Hampshire, using a battery of video cameras. And the RAF is also considering a similar ‘clutch airfield’ arrangement at some locations.
I believe such ‘remote control’ is used in Oz and the US already. |
Originally Posted by nancypants
(Post 31323211)
trying to think of an acronym for ATCO. Always tea/coffee on?! But within UK Mil generally known as The Flying Prevention Branch. :D |
Originally Posted by JAtko
(Post 31323815)
The vast majority of UK airports that have commercial service will be controlled (i.e. staffed by an ATCO), even ones that are outside Controlled Airspace (e.g. Exeter, Newquay, Farnborough, Humberside). At Barra and Benbecula (as with lots of small airfields) they have a tower but the people inside aren't controllers, they're Flight Information Officers.
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Not sure about remote control in Oz, not that i’ve heard of although haven’t conducted an exhaustive survey 🤔 eta hmm apparently it was trialled in 2012 at my/our home airport (YBAS/ASP/Alice springs). Obviously went well as tower is fully staffed as before |
Originally Posted by T8191
(Post 31324083)
The upcoming development is ‘remoted ATC’, with operations being controlled at another location. ISTR trials are being conducted for London City to be controlled from London Centre down at Swanwick in Hampshire, using a battery of video cameras. And the RAF is also considering a similar ‘clutch airfield’ arrangement at some locations.
I believe such ‘remote control’ is used in Oz and the US already. https://www.atc-network.com/atc-news...wer-technology |
Only a standby facility of course, although no less valid for that.
In the RAF we had alternate ATC facilities on our major airfields for wartime use in case the primary facility was knocked out. They were, and undoubtedly still are, exercised regularly. I could tell some funny tales on that subject, but too much of a thread diversion. |
Originally Posted by JAtko
(Post 31323815)
We have far less uncontrolled airspace here than Australia as there's an awful lot of commercial aircraft to fit into not a very big country!! :)
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The RAF and various little "commercial" airlines are constantly arguing about which airspace is/isn't/should be/shouldn't be Controlled. Not enough air up there causes a lot of hot air down here.
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