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ARN-DEL QR1.200
ARN-HKG QR 1.280
ARN-BKK QR 1.302
BUD-HKT QR 1.315
OSL-SIN QR 1.331

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ARN-PER CX2.051
OSL-PER QR 2.238
OSL-BNE CX 2.263
HEL-SYD QR 2.274
BUD-MEL QR 2.349
BUD-AKL QR 2.364
OSL-ADL CX 2.450

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AMS-YUL AA/BA 1.276
BHX-LAS AA/BA/EI 1.383
OSL-LAX AA/BA/AY 1.434
AMS-YVR AA/BA 1.594
OSL/ARN-HNL AA/BA 1.933

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LIS-GRU LA 1.050 (can be routed via LHR both ways)
GVA-UIO IB1.399
MAD-BOG/UIO/LIM IB/LA from 1.426

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ALC-CAI BA 911
AMS-JNB IB 1.240
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Old Mar 15, 19, 1:26 pm
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Originally Posted by tomparskate View Post
ARN-YVR for 1500 in J via LHR.

Normally 700+ in Y from LHR

Very limited availability unfortunately
Nice one. Similar prices available for most west coast cities, it would appear, if you're flexible. LAX, SFO, SJC, PDX (via SEA), and SEA are all hovering around 1400-1500 too. Seeing these fares fairly widely available for April through August.
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Old Mar 18, 19, 6:30 am
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FRA-HKG via LHR for EUR1806 (or 1546) in J, fare basis INCEU28. This may well have been around earlier, but the fare rules say you need to book by 21Mar19.

Earlier posts/threads about INCEU28 (and my reading of the fare rules now) indicate that a routing via e.g. SIN would be ok. However, the LHR-SIN legs book into R and make the fare significantly higher. Am I reading the fare rules incorrectly? (I class would have plenty of availability)





The simpler and cheaper routing would be:

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Old Mar 18, 19, 7:09 am
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Originally Posted by timol View Post
FRA-HKG via LHR for EUR1806 (or 1546) in J, fare basis INCEU28. This may well have been around earlier, but the fare rules say you need to book by 21Mar19.

Earlier posts/threads about INCEU28 (and my reading of the fare rules now) indicate that a routing via e.g. SIN would be ok. However, the LHR-SIN legs book into R and make the fare significantly higher. Am I reading the fare rules incorrectly? (I class would have plenty of availability)
Is it an availability issue?
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Old Mar 18, 19, 7:15 am
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Originally Posted by timol View Post
FRA-HKG via LHR for EUR1806 (or 1546) in J, fare basis INCEU28. This may well have been around earlier, but the fare rules say you need to book by 21Mar19.

Earlier posts/threads about INCEU28 (and my reading of the fare rules now) indicate that a routing via e.g. SIN would be ok. However, the LHR-SIN legs book into R and make the fare significantly higher. Am I reading the fare rules incorrectly? (I class would have plenty of availability)
You used to be able to route those through SIN. It is no longer the case.
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Old Mar 18, 19, 7:15 am
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Originally Posted by obduro View Post
Originally Posted by timol View Post
Earlier posts/threads about INCEU28 (and my reading of the fare rules now) indicate that a routing via e.g. SIN would be ok. However, the LHR-SIN legs book into R and make the fare significantly higher. Am I reading the fare rules incorrectly?
Is it an availability issue?
I'd guess that the routing is no longer permitted, the same as on the published INCEU60 and INCEU28 fares.
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Old Mar 18, 19, 7:42 am
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Originally Posted by thebigben View Post
You used to be able to route those through SIN. It is no longer the case.
Originally Posted by Globaliser View Post
I'd guess that the routing is no longer permitted, the same as on the published INCEU60 and INCEU28 fares.
Sigh, thank you for your quick responses.

And I thought Category 9: Transfer restrictions in INCEU28 fare rules still looked so promising:
5 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION FREE
2 FREE IN EUROPE IN EACH DIRECTION
3 FREE IN [...] S.W. PACIFIC/SOUTHEAST ASIA EXCEPT CHINA IN
EACH DIRECTION.
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Old Mar 18, 19, 7:48 am
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Originally Posted by Globaliser View Post
I'd guess that the routing is no longer permitted, the same as on the published INCEU60 and INCEU28 fares.
Originally Posted by timol View Post
Sigh, thank you for your quick responses.

And I thought Category 9: Transfer restrictions in INCEU28 fare rules still looked so promising:
5 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION FREE
2 FREE IN EUROPE IN EACH DIRECTION
3 FREE IN [...] S.W. PACIFIC/SOUTHEAST ASIA EXCEPT CHINA IN
EACH DIRECTION.
For HKG fares Germany does seem to be the best place to start atm. Some good b2b options with HAM and TXL as well.

In this case you need to look at the routing table (it is the routing table that has also been restricted for AMS-BKK too, not the stopover rules). Both INCEU60 and INCEU28 fares state:

MAP CONSTRUCTED LEFT TO RIGHT AND RIGHT TO LEFT
1. HAM-LON-HKG
There is no possibility to route via SIN or KUL.
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Old Mar 18, 19, 8:05 am
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Originally Posted by KARFA View Post
In this case you need to look at the routing table (it is the routing table that has also been restricted for AMS-BKK too, not the stopover rules).
Many thanks KARFA. I guess EF does not provide access to routing tables?
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Old Mar 18, 19, 8:09 am
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Originally Posted by timol View Post
Many thanks KARFA. I guess EF does not provide access to routing tables?
It does in Fare Information and clicking here

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Old Mar 18, 19, 8:12 am
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Originally Posted by timol View Post
Sigh, thank you for your quick responses.

And I thought Category 9: Transfer restrictions in INCEU28 fare rules still looked so promising:
5 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION FREE
2 FREE IN EUROPE IN EACH DIRECTION
3 FREE IN [...] S.W. PACIFIC/SOUTHEAST ASIA EXCEPT CHINA IN
EACH DIRECTION.
It does, but it may very well be that the maximum mileage permitted is lower than before, sadly.
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Old Mar 18, 19, 8:30 am
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Originally Posted by thebigben View Post
It does, but it may very well be that the maximum mileage permitted is lower than before, sadly.
As far as I can see, these are routed fares - so MPM is irrelevant.
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Old Mar 18, 19, 9:37 am
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Originally Posted by KARFA View Post
It does in Fare Information and clicking here
Doh, I never noticed this, as fare rules seemed to answer all questions.
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Old Mar 18, 19, 9:53 am
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Originally Posted by KARFA View Post
For HKG fares Germany does seem to be the best place to start atm. Some good b2b options with HAM and TXL as well.
Just to flag that QR have good fares to HKG ex-ARN at the moment, for a similar cost to the BA fares ex-Germany but the bonus of the extra tier points (140x4 as opposed to (40+140)x2) - plus the bonus of Q Suites to HKG, based on the seatmaps for flights in October that I booked last week.
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Old Mar 20, 19, 1:39 pm
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Is it just me or is INCEU60 gone? Need to do EU-Thailand and burn a GUF in the process but AMS-LHR-HKG-CNX/HKT and even AMS-LHR-BKK in CW are +2000 INCEU28s in Aug/Sep.
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Old Mar 20, 19, 2:39 pm
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Anyone aware of any decent deals to Miami around the 3rd / 4th April?
Heading from London but happy to do an ex EU too
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