Sweet-talking your way into the CCR - unacceptable
Jan 1, 2019, 8:49 am
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And that behaviour could easily have been moderated by the OP having a quiet word with the CCR staff. If the issue was really one impacting others in the lounge no doubt the staff would have stepped in.
Jan 1, 2019, 9:05 am
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I suggested the Germans might have a word for it precisely because they gave us Schadenfreude: such a useful concept. But Schadenfreude is taking pleasure from the downfall, failure or disappointment of others. It's what I guess our OP would have felt if the blaggers had been turned away; and pretty much the opposite of the feeling he did experience.
Something that encapsulates in one word GoreVidal's Whenever a friend succeeds, a little something in me dies is what we need.
Something that encapsulates in one word GoreVidal's Whenever a friend succeeds, a little something in me dies is what we need.
Jan 1, 2019, 9:55 am
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I suggested the Germans might have a word for it precisely because they gave us Schadenfreude: such a useful concept. But Schadenfreude is taking pleasure from the downfall, failure or disappointment of others. It's what I guess our OP would have felt if the blaggers had been turned away; and pretty much the opposite of the feeling he did experience.
Something that encapsulates in one word GoreVidal's Whenever a friend succeeds, a little something in me dies is what we need.
Something that encapsulates in one word GoreVidal's Whenever a friend succeeds, a little something in me dies is what we need.
You are not looking for a description of situation but rather a classification of character and so to say I thought you were describing them as a type of 'schadenfreude person' seems reasonable.
Jan 1, 2019, 9:57 am
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German lesson 1/2019:
The German expression "Schadenfreude" consists of the two separate words "schaden" (damage) and "freude" (joy). It means deriving pleasure from someone else's misfortune.
In the situation described in this blog, the blagger got away with it - so no Schaden. The OP also got no joy out of it - so no Freude.
If anything, the blagger could have taken some Schadenfreude out of the OP getting upset, but that assumes that he'd have noticed or cared about the OP'S emotional distress.
I've explained my reasoning in another post.
Cheers.
Jan 1, 2019, 10:10 am
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I suggested the Germans might have a word for it precisely because they gave us Schadenfreude: such a useful concept. But Schadenfreude is taking pleasure from the downfall, failure or disappointment of others. It's what I guess our OP would have felt if the blaggers had been turned away; and pretty much the opposite of the feeling he did experience.
Something that encapsulates in one word GoreVidal's Whenever a friend succeeds, a little something in me dies is what we need.
Something that encapsulates in one word GoreVidal's Whenever a friend succeeds, a little something in me dies is what we need.
Doesn't the English word envy cover this very well? Or does the fact that the first person also succeeded and isn't being deprived make a difference?
Jan 1, 2019, 10:16 am
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I think there's too much looking at OP, who I think, didn't do much, if anything, wrong.
Jan 1, 2019, 10:23 am
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I think it plays a part, envy is born of admiration and has a drive to destroy. Here the blaggers get something we admire (access to CCR without paying for it), and there is envious hatred that wants them to be denied access or held to account. There are also strong Oedipal drives, with others receiving comfort (special treatment) or which is seen as undeserving, and these powerful feelings go right back in our childhood, even to infancy!
Jan 1, 2019, 10:48 am
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The lounge agent clearly had some discretion and decided to let them in which was the end of it. A number of valid opinions expressed on the rights and wrongs of it but it appears the OP wasn't affected and life went on.
Jan 1, 2019, 11:20 am
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Interesting how upset some people seem to be in this thread and how insistent some are that it 'just doesn't happen'. People saying you can't blag an upgrade on a UK train strike me as being a bit too naiive. The same for someone saying that flight crew 'refuse to upgrade anyone' as if they were stating an absolute fact. As I mentioned on another thread somewhere, I used to date an FA years ago and regularly got all kinds of 'perks' not only from herself but from other flight crew who knew both her and I. She didn't even need to be on the plane for crying out loud. I got seat upgrades, meal upgrades, a handful of those little mini bottles of booze, etc. without even having to 'blag' at all. I have no doubt whatsoever that others also got something they weren't 'entitled' to whether for similar reasons or simply because they 'sweet talked' an FA into it.
I think those being so insistent it can't or doesnt happen need to take a step back and realize that people are telling them it can and does happen and those people have no reason to lie about it.
I think those being so insistent it can't or doesnt happen need to take a step back and realize that people are telling them it can and does happen and those people have no reason to lie about it.
Jan 1, 2019, 11:27 am
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I think it plays a part, envy is born of admiration and has a drive to destroy. Here the blaggers get something we admire (access to CCR without paying for it), and there is envious hatred that wants them to be denied access or held to account. There are also strong Oedipal drives, with others receiving comfort (special treatment) or which is seen as undeserving, and these powerful feelings go right back in our childhood, even to infancy!
It seems normal to me that people who enjoy something feel an air of protectionism. Everyone has a sense of rules and for some, when people breach these, they find it upsetting. This feeling may be increased when the presence of these pratagonists is unjustified (according to their own rules and those published rules, perks and conditions).
Jan 1, 2019, 1:48 pm
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Goes without saying there are different characters, opinions and so forth. Bringing childhood and these other unrelated concepts into it seems unnecessarily churlish.
It seems normal to me that people who enjoy something feel an air of protectionism. Everyone has a sense of rules and for some, when people breach these, they find it upsetting. This feeling may be increased when the presence of these pratagonists is unjustified (according to their own rules and those published rules, perks and conditions).
It seems normal to me that people who enjoy something feel an air of protectionism. Everyone has a sense of rules and for some, when people breach these, they find it upsetting. This feeling may be increased when the presence of these pratagonists is unjustified (according to their own rules and those published rules, perks and conditions).
Jan 1, 2019, 2:24 pm
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Maybe some passengers just want to protect their investment.
They paid up for a first class ticket. Then the lounge agent lets anyone in.
Also, I expect the beancounters at BA would want lounge staff to rigidly police their ticket class structure.
They paid up for a first class ticket. Then the lounge agent lets anyone in.
Also, I expect the beancounters at BA would want lounge staff to rigidly police their ticket class structure.
Jan 1, 2019, 2:44 pm
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Interesting how upset some people seem to be in this thread and how insistent some are that it 'just doesn't happen'. People saying you can't blag an upgrade on a UK train strike me as being a bit too naiive. The same for someone saying that flight crew 'refuse to upgrade anyone' as if they were stating an absolute fact. As I mentioned on another thread somewhere, I used to date an FA years ago and regularly got all kinds of 'perks' not only from herself but from other flight crew who knew both her and I. She didn't even need to be on the plane for crying out loud. I got seat upgrades, meal upgrades, a handful of those little mini bottles of booze, etc. without even having to 'blag' at all. I have no doubt whatsoever that others also got something they weren't 'entitled' to whether for similar reasons or simply because they 'sweet talked' an FA into it.
I think those being so insistent it can't or doesnt happen need to take a step back and realize that people are telling them it can and does happen and those people have no reason to lie about it.
I think those being so insistent it can't or doesnt happen need to take a step back and realize that people are telling them it can and does happen and those people have no reason to lie about it.
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Jan 1, 2019, 3:31 pm
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Could the blaggard have been a BA employee hence why the agent gave in so easily?