Manners are going downhill
Dec 27, 2018, 4:29 am
#61
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An absolutely perfect example of why your anecdote is meaningless. I'd have thought someone in the "Saga generation" would know by now that anecdotes are a million miles away from being fact!
Dec 27, 2018, 4:42 am
#62
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A fact is something true. An experience I had is true. I'm unclear as to why you are struggling with this concept. Regards.
Dec 27, 2018, 5:10 am
#63
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Likewise, I'm unclear as to why you feel your personal experience can be extrapolated to the entire human race.
Dec 27, 2018, 5:20 am
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You got it in one, it had the desired effect so desired result achieved.
Dec 27, 2018, 6:41 am
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You have your opinion for sure, but you can also be sure many people do not agree in this jealousy of youth (myth). That is a remarkably outrageous claim. I cannot think of much that people would be jealous of. Certainly this does not pre-dispose itself in being irritated by people broadcasting their bad manners! I am not jealous of any young people today, who I accept face some bigger challenges than previous generations - income, social media, sensationalism, housing, etc. But decency should not be limited by the fact that if people aren't "called up on it" (a horrible phrase used by the youth today), then the assumption is that their behaviour is acceptable.
But then with the current flock of celebrities as role models, how can one expect the right manners. There is even a youtuber with a million subscribers going around asking for free food in London as a 'hack' or ;challenge'! The video has 95% positive votes (from his young fan base) as if to say this is a great thing to do that he is doing. Taking food that would otherwise be left for homeless people? Recording people in their place of work and making them uncomfortable by asking these questions? A different generation of person. In my day, people would have pride and not see this behaviour as something remarkable that should be broadcast. For someone of my generation this behaviour seems very arrogant and unjust, but nowadays people are celebrating it and making money from it. Similarly, I watched a video at the weekend of parkour on Paris rooftops where kids enjoy jumping over hundreds of rooftops. Making money and enjoying it at the expense of hundreds of others (hearing this jumping on their roof) is how the young seem to be.
It is true that the self-important business type person who must get his (or her) way is common and this behaviour is also poor. But I can reason with this type of person because I can see it as someone living their job and being taken out of their person. Someone simply being disruptive so that people can see them, and then mocking others in public, or being intimidating, this is a different tale. One is deliberately making someone uncomfortable and not caring, the other is someone stressed by their work.
Taking all the above in consideration, how can it be a surprise when this behaviour shows itself in the lounge. The only thing I can do is try to stay away from interactions with this type. But I can certainly emphathise with others in what I see is a modern trend of people being inconsiderate, whether as a result of someone young, middle aged, or old.
But then with the current flock of celebrities as role models, how can one expect the right manners. There is even a youtuber with a million subscribers going around asking for free food in London as a 'hack' or ;challenge'! The video has 95% positive votes (from his young fan base) as if to say this is a great thing to do that he is doing. Taking food that would otherwise be left for homeless people? Recording people in their place of work and making them uncomfortable by asking these questions? A different generation of person. In my day, people would have pride and not see this behaviour as something remarkable that should be broadcast. For someone of my generation this behaviour seems very arrogant and unjust, but nowadays people are celebrating it and making money from it. Similarly, I watched a video at the weekend of parkour on Paris rooftops where kids enjoy jumping over hundreds of rooftops. Making money and enjoying it at the expense of hundreds of others (hearing this jumping on their roof) is how the young seem to be.
It is true that the self-important business type person who must get his (or her) way is common and this behaviour is also poor. But I can reason with this type of person because I can see it as someone living their job and being taken out of their person. Someone simply being disruptive so that people can see them, and then mocking others in public, or being intimidating, this is a different tale. One is deliberately making someone uncomfortable and not caring, the other is someone stressed by their work.
Taking all the above in consideration, how can it be a surprise when this behaviour shows itself in the lounge. The only thing I can do is try to stay away from interactions with this type. But I can certainly emphathise with others in what I see is a modern trend of people being inconsiderate, whether as a result of someone young, middle aged, or old.
My point is that there are idiots and boors of all ages. There are many respectful, well mannered “iPhone generation” kids, and plenty of older fools. Just because some people haven’t changed with the world, doesn’t mean anyone who has is poor mannered.
I bet when when you were young, you never once felt like the older generation didn’t understand you, or thought that some of your youth crazes were ill mannered and off putting, or that they said things like “in my day...” and it annoyed the crap outta you. Instead of recycling the same, tired generational beefs, maybe try working to break them down.
Dec 27, 2018, 7:53 am
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On the contrary. It was about 50:50. The desired effect was a number of other pax in the lounge got to use the resource that was being hogged by one person. How it was achieved is a long distant second place to the result. If you don't agree how it was done then that is your problem. Happy New Year ^
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Dec 27, 2018, 8:28 am
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I write this as simply as possible to prevent a further misunderstanding. My experience is true and like everyone else it shapes my view of the world. Why do you believe there must be some empirical evidence to back this up? I continually see the same thing, including on the train into London this morning. Why do I need to even think about extrapolating this when it's so prevalent in lounges and elsewhere. It's not my imagination...! Once upon a time, this patterned behaviour was not present. These people didn't have mobile phones back then. Maybe they were inconsiderate too, but it wasn't so blatant. Best regards, randolph
Dec 27, 2018, 8:42 am
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I hear your frustration, and the world is certainly different than it used to be, and in another decade it will be different again. But to use your own value lens to see it in a certain shade doesnt make your interpretation fact.
im enjoying this conversation, it’s fascinating how people view the world. I hope you’re not offput.
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Dec 27, 2018, 9:38 am
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Please:
"fact
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"fact
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- a thing that is known or proved to be true"
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Dec 27, 2018, 8:06 pm
#71
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I write this as simply as possible to prevent a further misunderstanding. My experience is true and like everyone else it shapes my view of the world. Why do you believe there must be some empirical evidence to back this up? I continually see the same thing, including on the train into London this morning. Why do I need to even think about extrapolating this when it's so prevalent in lounges and elsewhere. It's not my imagination...! Once upon a time, this patterned behaviour was not present. These people didn't have mobile phones back then. Maybe they were inconsiderate too, but it wasn't so blatant. Best regards, randolph
No matter how you want to word it, your anecdotes DO NOT accurately describe an entire society. You can make the point that the people you see act like that, you can not make the point that people in general act like that - which is what you did.
You've always required empirical evidence if you want your point to be taken seriously.
Dec 27, 2018, 8:38 pm
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I think that's enough arguing.
EVERYONE, no matter what age, should act courteously and with consideration towards others, in the absence of extenuating circumstances, including on FlyerTalk forum.
Thread closed.
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EVERYONE, no matter what age, should act courteously and with consideration towards others, in the absence of extenuating circumstances, including on FlyerTalk forum.
Thread closed.
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