Go-around... how frequently does this happen?
Dec 12, 2018, 12:12 pm
#61
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TBS operations are always being conducted at LHR, unless there's been a system failure or we've just swapped runways (the systems needs a few arrivals to come down the approach before it 'learns' what the wind is doing). If the headwind component is less than 5kts, or greater than 6kts, there will be distance impacts.
TBS only applies to pairs of aircraft that require wake turbulence separation. the 2.5nm separation you cite is the minimum radar separation, that applies to aircraft pairs that do not require wake separation. Aircraft can be closer together than 2.5nm, with the caveats cited by LHRATCO.
To answer the OP, over the last 2 years the average number of missed approaches at LHR is 1.3 per day.
Dec 12, 2018, 12:13 pm
#62
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Once experienced an aborted landing at DAR on an EK 777 in the middle of a tropical rain storm. After descending trough the storm in the worst turbulence I've ever experienced, we got to what seemed a few meters above the runway when a gust of wind pushed the aircraft so far to the side that the tip of the left wing cannot have been many meters from hitting the ground. I was properly about to s**t my pants.
Pilot probably had the whole thing under control. But certainly didn't help much in that moment, when you feel the entire plane tilt to the side and look straight down in the ground through your window. When we landed about 25min later, I was told our aircraft was third plane in a row to abort the landing right above the runway.
Pilot probably had the whole thing under control. But certainly didn't help much in that moment, when you feel the entire plane tilt to the side and look straight down in the ground through your window. When we landed about 25min later, I was told our aircraft was third plane in a row to abort the landing right above the runway.
Dec 12, 2018, 12:17 pm
#63
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The taxiway that's closed at the moment is in Block 21 Outer (in old money....how many of you remember that?) or exit A9W and A9E in new money.
When we are landing 27R, A9E is open. It's closed when 27R is being used for departures, or 09L for arrivals.
I do love a good go-around. Flying is the only form of public transport where if you start screaming, others join in. On buses or trains, the other passengers just look at you as if you're crazy.........
When we are landing 27R, A9E is open. It's closed when 27R is being used for departures, or 09L for arrivals.
I do love a good go-around. Flying is the only form of public transport where if you start screaming, others join in. On buses or trains, the other passengers just look at you as if you're crazy.........
Dec 12, 2018, 12:40 pm
#65
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Once experienced an aborted landing at DAR on an EK 777 in the middle of a tropical rain storm. After descending trough the storm in the worst turbulence I've ever experienced, we got to what seemed a few meters above the runway when a gust of wind pushed the aircraft so far to the side that the tip of the left wing cannot have been many meters from hitting the ground. I was properly about to s**t my pants.
Pilot probably had the whole thing under control. But certainly didn't help much in that moment, when you feel the entire plane tilt to the side and look straight down in the ground through your window. When we landed about 25min later, I was told our aircraft was third plane in a row to abort the landing right above the runway.
Pilot probably had the whole thing under control. But certainly didn't help much in that moment, when you feel the entire plane tilt to the side and look straight down in the ground through your window. When we landed about 25min later, I was told our aircraft was third plane in a row to abort the landing right above the runway.
Dec 12, 2018, 12:44 pm
#66
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Dec 12, 2018, 12:48 pm
#67
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Had my first one earlier this year at Salt Lake City- crosswinds that you could really feel on the first aborted attempt. After about half an hour spent in a subsequent holding pattern while the pilot and operations discussed whether to wait for the weather to clear in Utah or divert to Las Vegas, the second attempt at SLC was successful.
And then my husband had his second one at Detroit Metro on his very next trip, again weather and wind reasons.
And then my husband had his second one at Detroit Metro on his very next trip, again weather and wind reasons.
Dec 12, 2018, 12:54 pm
#68
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Average a little over 50 (commercial) flights a year and can recall 2- one at LGW where a Ukrainian plane had lost a tyre on landing and thus was not able to vacate. One at Darwin during a storm. I thought it was great fun but I believe I was the only pax not screaming and vomiting. Interestingly Fr24 track seems to imply we stayed above 100m but i’m reasonably confident I felt the wheels touch the ground. Although it could have just been even bumpier than I gave credit for!
Dec 12, 2018, 12:57 pm
#69
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After many years of flying, I have experienced this once on QR landing at AMS, IIRC.
Also, one rejected take off on BA at LGW.
Also, one rejected take off on BA at LGW.
Dec 12, 2018, 1:04 pm
#70
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I can watch from my living room (in Bedfont) the aircraft landing. (Its just to the right of my TV out the window 
). I usually hear before looking to see an aircraft going up where it would normally be going down.
I remember a few years ago (so I hope I have this right) on a particularly windy morning (early between 6 and 7am) I watched a sequence of go rounds, six or eight in a row with one exception. The Sultan of Brunei's aircraft was the only one which landed in that sequence.
). I usually hear before looking to see an aircraft going up where it would normally be going down.I remember a few years ago (so I hope I have this right) on a particularly windy morning (early between 6 and 7am) I watched a sequence of go rounds, six or eight in a row with one exception. The Sultan of Brunei's aircraft was the only one which landed in that sequence.
Dec 12, 2018, 1:24 pm
#72
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I can watch from my living room (in Bedfont) the aircraft landing. (Its just to the right of my TV out the window ). I usually hear before looking to see an aircraft going up where it would normally be going down.
I remember a few years ago (so I hope I have this right) on a particularly windy morning (early between 6 and 7am) I watched a sequence of go rounds, six or eight in a row with one exception. The Sultan of Brunei's aircraft was the only one which landed in that sequence.
). I usually hear before looking to see an aircraft going up where it would normally be going down.I remember a few years ago (so I hope I have this right) on a particularly windy morning (early between 6 and 7am) I watched a sequence of go rounds, six or eight in a row with one exception. The Sultan of Brunei's aircraft was the only one which landed in that sequence.
Dec 12, 2018, 1:34 pm
#73
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For avoidance of doubt, and obviously without accusing anyone here, it's illegal to listen to, let alone and record UK ATC radio transmissions, unless licensed for the purpose, according to the Wireless Telegraphy Act
