Club Europe Seats
Dec 9, 2018, 10:07 am
#31
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Yup I think while it’s would be nice to have a proper 2-2 J in CE, it’s not very likely.
given the reality of econ seats with blocked middle, I think the best recourse is to have the potential CE Seats (everything front of exit row) with extended pitch (32/34), as opposed to the 29/30 in the back. It’s ridiculous that today i book Econ over CE as the best seats in the plane in short haul are exit row economy, not CE.
given the reality of econ seats with blocked middle, I think the best recourse is to have the potential CE Seats (everything front of exit row) with extended pitch (32/34), as opposed to the 29/30 in the back. It’s ridiculous that today i book Econ over CE as the best seats in the plane in short haul are exit row economy, not CE.
Dec 9, 2018, 10:41 am
#32
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As ever, it’s down to personal choice / priorities - unless someone else is picking up the tab.
Dec 9, 2018, 1:58 pm
#34
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I don't really get the criticism of euro business. Unless you are really wide, an economy seat with vacant middle is just fine. In fact a bit more room than you'd have on a traditional 2-2 set up. The pitch is a bit rough, but 38 inches for UA and AU first/biz class isn't really that spectacular either. Euro airlines (LH. LX, AF) seem to have better quality food than Australia, and everyone gets the same thing. No one misses out.
Air New Zealand offers a similar product on its trans tasman routes but doesn't try to call it business class
Qantas's business class may be more expensince, but at least it is not just a tarted up economy class
There may not be a market for business class in Europe - sell it as a more exepnsive economy offering with an empty seat and better catering and no one would have any reason to complain
Dec 9, 2018, 2:16 pm
#35
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I don't really get the criticism of euro business. Unless you are really wide, an economy seat with vacant middle is just fine. In fact a bit more room than you'd have on a traditional 2-2 set up. The pitch is a bit rough, but 38 inches for UA and AU first/biz class isn't really that spectacular either. Euro airlines (LH. LX, AF) seem to have better quality food than Australia, and everyone gets the same thing. No one misses out.
Dec 9, 2018, 2:20 pm
#36
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I know this comment has been made before when European J seats have been discussed, and many seem to think there is some untapped demand for a fixed 2+2 J cabin. Apart from a very few exceptions (e.g TK on some flights to LHR), if this demand is so clear why does no European short haul carrier offer it?
Dec 9, 2018, 2:24 pm
#37
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The benefit (for BA) has became clear on my flight. When I looked up the seat selection some time ago, there were 5 rows in CE. When I picked a seat 2 days ago, I changed to 6. So extra CE seats to sell.
Dec 9, 2018, 2:31 pm
#38
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I know this comment has been made before when European J seats have been discussed, and many seem to think there is some untapped demand for a fixed 2+2 J cabin. Apart from a very few exceptions (e.g TK on some flights to LHR), if this demand is so clear why does no European short haul carrier offer it?
whereas at lhr, who else can really enter that market and create a short haul network with proper business?
Dec 9, 2018, 2:40 pm
#39
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I’ve only recently started flying CE, but I have noticed a trend on most flights. Afew ET passages will board the flight dump their baggage on CE and head off to there ET seat. Once the plane lands, (usually before the seatbelt lights are turned off), rush down into CE to grab their bags. Not once have I seen a emmener of the crew take action or at least ask the passagers to return to their seat while the seatbelt is on.
Dec 9, 2018, 2:40 pm
#40
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I'm 6' and can't remember my knees hitting the seat in front of me when I flew CE last month. Next flight is Friday so I will reverify.
The benefit (for BA) has became clear on my flight. When I looked up the seat selection some time ago, there were 5 rows in CE. When I picked a seat 2 days ago, I changed to 6. So extra CE seats to sell.
The benefit (for BA) has became clear on my flight. When I looked up the seat selection some time ago, there were 5 rows in CE. When I picked a seat 2 days ago, I changed to 6. So extra CE seats to sell.
Dec 9, 2018, 6:38 pm
#41
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I'm 6' and can't remember my knees hitting the seat in front of me when I flew CE last month. Next flight is Friday so I will reverify.
The benefit (for BA) has became clear on my flight. When I looked up the seat selection some time ago, there were 5 rows in CE. When I picked a seat 2 days ago, I changed to 6. So extra CE seats to sell.
The benefit (for BA) has became clear on my flight. When I looked up the seat selection some time ago, there were 5 rows in CE. When I picked a seat 2 days ago, I changed to 6. So extra CE seats to sell.
Dec 10, 2018, 1:24 am
#43
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Dec 10, 2018, 2:03 am
#44
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I'm 6' and can't remember my knees hitting the seat in front of me when I flew CE last month. Next flight is Friday so I will reverify.
The benefit (for BA) has became clear on my flight. When I looked up the seat selection some time ago, there were 5 rows in CE. When I picked a seat 2 days ago, I changed to 6. So extra CE seats to sell.
The benefit (for BA) has became clear on my flight. When I looked up the seat selection some time ago, there were 5 rows in CE. When I picked a seat 2 days ago, I changed to 6. So extra CE seats to sell.
Most of the time I have gone CE the price over ET+ has been £30 - £40 (in some cases it has even been cheeper then ET). If it comes in more then I'll stay in ET but you pays your money and takes your choice.
Dec 10, 2018, 4:06 am
#45
Join Date: Nov 2011
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that’s almost 30 years ago with very different market conditions.