HFP article on potential for industrial action coming up!
Mar 11, 2019, 2:32 pm
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Something tells me you’ve not had too many employers. It isn’t quite so simple as just finding something something new, even at the lower end of the employment scale and this is an arguement spouted by economists and people too comfortable in their jobs.
Mar 11, 2019, 2:33 pm
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Mar 11, 2019, 2:35 pm
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Mar 11, 2019, 2:39 pm
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I won’t complain, will just file EC261 compo requests (operational cancellations are not Extraordinary Circumstances, strikes seem to be)
Mar 11, 2019, 2:43 pm
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Mar 11, 2019, 2:49 pm
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not sure if you are simply looking for bites , but I would rather get to where I need to be on time, and also I would empathise with the people who are striking given the stress and pressure this would cause. It is not as simple as walking away as you suggest. In fact such a view, with all due respect, is infantile.
Mar 11, 2019, 2:51 pm
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Then it’s fair game.
I have walked out of jobs when I didn’t think the pay was fair. There is no downside for an employee to agree to a ballot, even if they think the pay is fair, so why would they answer any differently to the questions that were asked? If there were a downside, I bet the outcome would be different.
Maybe am old school, but I also think real men and women talk with their feet (just like customer do) rather than through a negotiator.
If a sufficient number of employees resign, there will be soon enough a pay shift at BA.
I have walked out of jobs when I didn’t think the pay was fair. There is no downside for an employee to agree to a ballot, even if they think the pay is fair, so why would they answer any differently to the questions that were asked? If there were a downside, I bet the outcome would be different.
Maybe am old school, but I also think real men and women talk with their feet (just like customer do) rather than through a negotiator.
If a sufficient number of employees resign, there will be soon enough a pay shift at BA.
Mar 11, 2019, 2:54 pm
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I am glad to see this joined up approach, as Mixed Fleet are ridiculously underpaid. BA was able to circumvent through wet leasing (and they never should have been allowed to do so with QR aircraft/crews).
Hope this will force IAG into action to start paying these crews fairly. It's ridiculous to expect crews on poverty wages to provide excellent service. They deserve more respect.
Hope this will force IAG into action to start paying these crews fairly. It's ridiculous to expect crews on poverty wages to provide excellent service. They deserve more respect.
Mar 11, 2019, 3:04 pm
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probably not. In their recent blurb Ryanair claims a recent European court ruling claims it’s not applicable for strikes, and that court ruling has more force than any CAA pontificating on this.
Mar 11, 2019, 3:29 pm
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Then it’s fair game.
I have walked out of jobs when I didn’t think the pay was fair. There is no downside for an employee to agree to a ballot, even if they think the pay is fair, so why would they answer any differently to the questions that were asked? If there were a downside, I bet the outcome would be different.
Maybe am old school, but I also think real men and women talk with their feet (just like customer do) rather than through a negotiator.
If a sufficient number of employees resign, there will be soon enough a pay shift at BA.
It doesn't really help to apply an individual experience here - walking away now from a solid union position is the cutting off your nose to spite your face option.
Mar 11, 2019, 3:36 pm
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I really do not understand this whole "vote with your feet" strategy some posters are putting forward to cabin crew. Please explain it to me? Did you know that only 24% of UK citizens can afford to save (ONS, 2016) and of those that do; the average savings were just shy of £1600? What happens when they leave and the £1300 rent payment is due next month?
Where can the cabin crew go? There is not an airline down the road employing cabin crew for 2x the price. The fact is; the people who do a fabulous job with BA do not have the transferable skills to be an accountant tomorrow, or, fly the plane next month to SCL and earn the big bucks. What they have is excellent customer service; a willingness to fly at short notice and please customers. Few jobs recruit right now and offer a (unfortunately relatively high) similar pay for those skills.
I fully support staff holding their employers to account for fair pay.
And oh; the "they're only doing it because IAG are in the black" line does not cut it... if IAG were in the red I'd bet my (comparatively small as well) salary on BA creating a new line of CC with even lower pay, fewer benefits and disastrously inadequacies.
I truly hope a solution is found for the staff at BA.
Where can the cabin crew go? There is not an airline down the road employing cabin crew for 2x the price. The fact is; the people who do a fabulous job with BA do not have the transferable skills to be an accountant tomorrow, or, fly the plane next month to SCL and earn the big bucks. What they have is excellent customer service; a willingness to fly at short notice and please customers. Few jobs recruit right now and offer a (unfortunately relatively high) similar pay for those skills.
I fully support staff holding their employers to account for fair pay.
And oh; the "they're only doing it because IAG are in the black" line does not cut it... if IAG were in the red I'd bet my (comparatively small as well) salary on BA creating a new line of CC with even lower pay, fewer benefits and disastrously inadequacies.
I truly hope a solution is found for the staff at BA.
Mar 11, 2019, 3:50 pm
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I am mindful that just ten years ago staff accepted pay cuts when BA faced financial collapse, so they deserve a share of the benefits during good times
https://www.theguardian.com/business...rways-pay-cuts
https://www.theguardian.com/business...rways-pay-cuts
Last edited by Prospero; Mar 11, 2019 at 3:55 pm Reason: Add link to 2009 press article