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BA A350 - No first class cabin [initial deliveries 3 class, with 4 class to follow]

BA A350 - No first class cabin [initial deliveries 3 class, with 4 class to follow]

Old Nov 3, 18, 9:14 am
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BA A350 - No first class cabin [initial deliveries 3 class, with 4 class to follow]

Didn't see this enhancement coming.

https://www.ausbt.com.au/no-first-cl...a350-1000-jets
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Old Nov 3, 18, 9:17 am
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Unless you'd read this

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30384519-post46.html
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Old Nov 3, 18, 10:14 am
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Which isn't actually correct.

I've said this elsewhere, and I'll say it again:

There are still plans for 2 configurations of a350-1000. As it stands the initial deliveries will be 3 class, with 4 class to follow. Of course, given the timelines, this is subject to change.
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Old Nov 3, 18, 10:22 am
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Originally Posted by hemschmall View Post
Which isn't actually correct.

I've said this elsewhere, and I'll say it again:

There are still plans for 2 configurations of a350-1000. As it stands the initial deliveries will be 3 class, with 4 class to follow. Of course, given the timelines, this is subject to change.
Just like the 787s then.
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Old Nov 3, 18, 10:25 am
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Originally Posted by bhbloke View Post
Actually there have been threads dating back to 2013 pointing out that many (and some FTers felt all) of the A350 supplied to BA would not have a First cabin, I'm somewhat surprised that anyone is surprised. There again there was a similar kerfuffle when the 787-8 series arrived. Here is the first such thread, but there are others.

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Old Nov 3, 18, 10:40 am
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I will be quite interested to see BA's galley choices for the A350 and think that for the average EY/PY/JC punter this is perhaps more relevant than whether or not there is an FC cabin. I had the good fortune to take both CX and IB flights on the 350-900 recently and noted:

* CX JC galley capacity = 21x full trolleys, 44x standard units, 6x ovens, 4x coffee machine, 1x espresso frother, 4x chiller, 2x trash compactor
* IB JC galley capacity = 18x full trolleys, 26x standard units, 7x ovens, 1x coffee machine, 0x espresso frother, 3x chiller, 1x trash compactor

If the BA 350 goes on a long sector and it's galley capacity is similar to IB's then don't wait until late in the flight to get any extra food or drinks!

Also, the IB 350 has a paraboloid central bulkhead between PY and EY cabins at the inboard position only and there is no bulkhead between EY and PY outboard. I doubt that IB's PY passengers feel a tremendous sense of being in a special cabin.

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Old Nov 3, 18, 10:52 am
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Originally Posted by Sixth Freedom View Post
I will be quite interested to see BA's galley choices for the A350 and think that for the average EY/PY/JC punter this is perhaps more relevant than whether or not there is an FC cabin. I had the good fortune to take both CX and IB flights on the 350-900 recently and noted:

* CX JC galley capacity = 21x full trolleys, 44x standard units, 6x ovens, 4x coffee machine, 1x espresso frother, 4x chiller, 2x trash compactor
* IB JC galley capacity = 18x full trolleys, 26x standard units, 7x ovens, 1x coffee machine, 0x espresso frother, 3x chiller, 1x trash compactor

If the BA 350 goes on a long sector and it's galley capacity is similar to IB's then don't wait until late in the flight to get any extra food or drinks!

Also, the IB 350 has a paraboloid central bulkhead between PY and EY cabins at the inboard position only and there is no bulkhead between EY and PY outboard. I doubt that IB's PY passengers feel a tremendous sense of being in a special cabin.

Guess BA's galley would have at least 2 coffee maker, as they would use it for tea making as well
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Old Nov 3, 18, 4:44 pm
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Well if they don’t have a First cabin they can save money on the First chef, so they’ll be no freshly squeezed juice and no freshly made eggs benedict for breakfast, and the First barista, so they’ll be no perfect cappuccinos.
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Old Nov 3, 18, 8:31 pm
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The galley capacity comparison only works when you also compare the number of pax?
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Old Nov 3, 18, 9:09 pm
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Originally Posted by hemschmall View Post
Which isn't actually correct.

I've said this elsewhere, and I'll say it again:

There are still plans for 2 configurations of a350-1000. As it stands the initial deliveries will be 3 class, with 4 class to follow. Of course, given the timelines, this is subject to change.
That makes sense, I thought it was odd that the A350 was earmarked as a 747 replacement so would be on the LAX and JFK routes but have no F on the few routes that I presume actually make any money in F.
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Old Nov 4, 18, 12:34 am
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With most companies I know downgrading business travel to premium, I don't think it's a surprise really. AA has begun adding 'proper' premium in recent times to benefit from such policies.

When the new BA Club seat is fitted to older aircraft, it's thought BA will reduce 14 seat F to eight seats too. Can hold the price that way with exclusivity, while seating more passengers in the aircraft overall.

Those airlines with space-eating F offerings (basically all the middle east ones) often find them undersold. Hardly a sustainable model.
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Old Nov 4, 18, 1:46 am
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Originally Posted by mmxbreaks View Post
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Those airlines with space-eating F offerings (basically all the middle east ones) often find them undersold. Hardly a sustainable model.
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Indeed.....several EK flights from UK now are 2 class including the morning LGW. First removed and replaced with economy.
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Better enjoy F while you still can, then
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Originally Posted by mmxbreaks View Post
With most companies I know downgrading business travel to premium, I don't think it's a surprise really. AA has begun adding 'proper' premium in recent times to benefit from such policies.

When the new BA Club seat is fitted to older aircraft, it's thought BA will reduce 14 seat F to eight seats too. Can hold the price that way with exclusivity, while seating more passengers in the aircraft overall.

Those airlines with space-eating F offerings (basically all the middle east ones) often find them undersold. Hardly a sustainable model.
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the prem econ trend started long before AA and most would argue that the US are late in that game.

Of course Middle East carriers struggle filling F seats, unless coming from the ‘sticks’ no one who can truly afford F (I mean buys last minute/always flexible) wants to connect in the Middle East. That’s why LX, LH, CX can afford to keep an F cabin because their home markets dictate the cabin and in a similar vein why BA should be able to too. Of course in a slimmed down offering, reduced route network which is of course the path they’ll go down.
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Old Nov 4, 18, 3:43 am
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Originally Posted by Gomac View Post


That makes sense, I thought it was odd that the A350 was earmarked as a 747 replacement so would be on the LAX and JFK routes but have no F on the few routes that I presume actually make any money in F.
The first 747s to go are the Mid-J configuration. Furthermore the 747s are being replaced by a number of different types, right-sizing and optimising along the way. This includes the a380, 787-9/10 and 777-300ER. The idea that the a350-1000 will simply just appear where the 747s operated is inaccurate.
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