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Old Jan 12, 2019, 4:57 pm
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Originally Posted by 1010101
CX J seats take up a bit more space than Club World so they will probably fit all 50 before the second set of doors. It will be a mighty big dormitory either way.
I guess you're the only person to not know that there's a brand new CW seat coming...!
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Old Jan 12, 2019, 5:32 pm
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Originally Posted by hemschmall
I guess you're the only person to not know that there's a brand new CW seat coming...!
WHAAT? New CW is coming??
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Old Jan 12, 2019, 7:22 pm
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So no first
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Old Jan 12, 2019, 11:42 pm
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Originally Posted by SQTraveller
So no first
On. The. INITIAL. DELIVERIES. !. You know, like with the 787
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Old Jan 13, 2019, 1:46 am
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Originally Posted by SpeedbirdLHR
Definitely not the configuration for BA
Is IB taking any 1000s? If not, wonder where TCX69 got his info.
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Old Jan 13, 2019, 3:08 am
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Originally Posted by hemschmall
I guess you're the only person to not know that there's a brand new CW seat coming...!
I do know, id be amazed if they let it take up the same space as the Cirrus seat
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Old Jan 13, 2019, 5:39 am
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Originally Posted by 1010101
CX J seats take up a bit more space than Club World so they will probably fit all 50 before the second set of doors. It will be a mighty big dormitory either way.
Having sampled the CX A350-1000 aircraft, the first impression on boarding is ‘dormitory’.
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Old Jan 13, 2019, 6:05 am
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I'd agree, but see that as a plus, as there are lots of rows away from lavatory and galley light, traffic and disruption. I also find CX J to be well-staffed (more so than BA - my perception anyway).
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Old Jan 13, 2019, 8:42 am
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Originally Posted by Tobias-UK


Having sampled the CX A350-1000 aircraft, the first impression on boarding is ‘dormitory’.
Exactly. Now imagine it when BA cram in even more seats. The placement of the doors pretty much guarantees it without an F cabin present.
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Old Jan 13, 2019, 10:05 am
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QR gets just 38 Q suites between doors 1 and 2 on an A351 so, if the J seat count of 50 is correct, there must be another mini cabin. Or the new CW is extremely crammed in!
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Old Jan 13, 2019, 10:36 am
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Originally Posted by TCX69
So... The configuration of the A350–1000 is apparently going to be 331 (J50 W48 Y233).
Unless this has changed since the Capital Markets day in November 2018, it doesn't accord with what AC said:

"Couple of interesting pieces of data that 350 will deliver 331 seats. And it was likely to operate where the current 747 Mid-J operates with 334 seats. Now we'll go from 3-Class -- sorry, from 4-Class on the 747 to 3-Class on the 350. But we are increasing a little bit the Club seats. We are increasing a lot the Premium Economy seats, World Traveller Plus, and with marginal climb down of the economy seats on the 350 in comparison to the 747s"

Mid J 744s have 52 J so the A351 will exceed this according to AC - in which case there must be a second J cabin.
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Old Jan 14, 2019, 8:30 am
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Originally Posted by choosethedrew
QR gets just 38 Q suites between doors 1 and 2 on an A351 so, if the J seat count of 50 is correct, there must be another mini cabin. Or the new CW is extremely crammed in!
This isn’t an entirely fair comparison and 50J in that space is very possible. For example CX has 46 seats (reverse herringbone) in that space.

As for CX/QR 77W they both have exactly 24J seats (Reverse Herringbone vs. Qsuite aircraft) between doors 1 & 2. This shows QR have roughly the same density as CX. Hence, I would assume subject to galley/lavs, QR could have put 46 Qsuites in the A350-1000 too had they wanted too. In this case BAs seat only has to be ever so slightly more compact to make it 50J.

If BA are 50J, I would be willing to bet a lot of money it’s one cabin. Either way, dormitory is going to be a good description as previously mentioned, à la CX.
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Old Jan 14, 2019, 8:48 am
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Looking at the published seat maps of both QR and CX for the A350-1000 with a little bit of rearranging of the galleys and toilets it is fairly easy to see how BA could put 50J seats in this space. The Q suite is at a disadvantage on the A350-1000 due its purely longitudinal layout, it appears there just isn't quite enough space between doors 1 and 2 for another row hence why they've moved the door 2 galley slightly forward in relation to CX.

Saying all this I've found with reverse herringbone seats you only really notice the number of people around you when you get up and walk around.
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Old Jan 14, 2019, 9:17 am
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AC has stated there will be at least 53 seats though, is this compatible within doors 1 and 2 whilst delivering a competitive product?
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Old Jan 14, 2019, 9:34 am
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Originally Posted by Gomac


That makes sense, I thought it was odd that the A350 was earmarked as a 747 replacement so would be on the LAX and JFK routes but have no F on the few routes that I presume actually make any money in F.
And SFO - which appears to at least partially fill the F cabin months in advance of any particular flight. I for example will pay more for F on that route if its not outrageously priced.
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