Swearing passenger ruined first F
Nov 3, 2018, 6:55 am
#196
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You need to have dealt with this properly at the time. You didn't, Move on.
Nov 3, 2018, 7:31 am
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Depending on the jurisdiction the court will not only tolerate it, they’ll stand up for your rights.
Nov 3, 2018, 7:41 am
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Nov 3, 2018, 7:52 am
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There’s some question about balance of rights and obligations here.
Forget the rights. What about the obligations?
I can hope and expect passengers’ behaviour to be reasonable. Unreasonable in my book would be swearing about someone else’s behaviour , or their child’s behaviour, without actually addressing them directly or speaking to the cabin crew.
Equally unreasonable is failing to look after children. Which apparently is irrelevant here as it didn’t happen.
Babies don’t have the mental capacity to be bothered about reasonable behaviour, nor can they exercise rights , so let’s ignore them.
Which by my analysis leaves one unreasonable passenger behaving badly. Perhaps it would have been better if the OP had confronted him. Or if the cabin crew had intervened. Maybe not, perhaps Mr Sweary would have gone ballistic, who knows. But one unreasonable passenger is the cause of the problem, and thus of this thread. End of.
Forget the rights. What about the obligations?
I can hope and expect passengers’ behaviour to be reasonable. Unreasonable in my book would be swearing about someone else’s behaviour , or their child’s behaviour, without actually addressing them directly or speaking to the cabin crew.
Equally unreasonable is failing to look after children. Which apparently is irrelevant here as it didn’t happen.
Babies don’t have the mental capacity to be bothered about reasonable behaviour, nor can they exercise rights , so let’s ignore them.
Which by my analysis leaves one unreasonable passenger behaving badly. Perhaps it would have been better if the OP had confronted him. Or if the cabin crew had intervened. Maybe not, perhaps Mr Sweary would have gone ballistic, who knows. But one unreasonable passenger is the cause of the problem, and thus of this thread. End of.
Nov 3, 2018, 7:58 am
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On the contrary, I'd say it's very on par for this forum. The thread now has over 200 posts, that should sadden us all. But alas, there will be something similar next week and the herd will rapidly move on to devour the new carcass.
This sort of seems to be what FT has become...
Regards
This sort of seems to be what FT has become...
Regards
Nov 3, 2018, 8:10 am
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I don't know about that. When I was living in the UK, every time I booked the quiet carriage on the Coventry-London route it was packed with noisy people. And it was a total mistake to book that carriage as on the return leaving from Euston Station it was the furthest from the waiting area and they always announced the train so late that I had to run to make it to that carriage.
The good news is that I will never have to take that train again.
Going back to BA First Class, the one time that my wife flew in First Class from LHR to PEK, there was a 5 years old kid that spent one hour singing loudly. The parents did not hear him because they were passed out. To ignore that kid, my wife just increased the sound on her headsets ......
The good news is that I will never have to take that train again.
Going back to BA First Class, the one time that my wife flew in First Class from LHR to PEK, there was a 5 years old kid that spent one hour singing loudly. The parents did not hear him because they were passed out. To ignore that kid, my wife just increased the sound on her headsets ......
Why couldn't the cabin crew tell the brat to shut up?
Nov 3, 2018, 8:21 am
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From your description of the events the man did not say anything to you at all
He uttered his displeasure about the noise (or the presence of a baby in the cabin), using foul language (which is wrong), but he never approached you directly. If we use your logic, then other passengers abused you and your son as well because they were probably thinking along the lines of that guy just without saying it out loud.Did you really think that he would start a fight because your son was crying? It seems that he did not approach you or make a comment to the cabin crew. I am sure he was not going to do that. People understand that babies cry and make noise. Yes, nobody likes being disturbed, but I just can't imagine a fight breaking out over a crying baby. The man was displeased, he uttered some swear words about it. I hear such words on almost every flight when there is a delay or a technical problem and passengers start vocalizing their displeasure directed at absolutely no one in particular. I probably do that too without even realizing it.
It seems that you really expect the worst from people. Nothing really happened here. Someone on a flight will always say or think something or give evil looks when they see a baby assuming that there will be noise. So what? Life goes on, the plane takes off, lands and people forget that they were even on the flight in the presence of a baby.
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Nov 3, 2018, 8:23 am
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Nov 3, 2018, 8:35 am
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IMO the cabin crew should have used common sense and insisted that the kid stop singing, without waiting for some other passengers to complain. Waking the parents would also have been appropriate, regardless of whether the cabin crew could have stopped the singing without the parents intervening.
Nov 3, 2018, 8:57 am
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I’m quite surprised and disappointed by many of these replies. You have my backing. I wish I had been working in your cabin that day. I think his behaviour was very aggressive even if he didn’t actually say it to your face. He didn’t have to, he said it loud and clear enough for you, and possibly everyone else, to know exactly who it was aimed at. I’m not surprised you didn’t actually speak to him. Probably worried it would cause a confrontation. I’ve seen people tut and roll their eyes when they have seen children and babies near them before they have even made a sound. It’s happened to me when I’ve travelled with my own kids! I’ve never seen or heard behaviour as you have described it so please don’t think it happens often. Kind Regards.
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Nov 3, 2018, 9:13 am
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I'd have taken what he said to be aggressive to be honest.
I don't have kids but I sure as hell wouldn't feel it necessary to get nasty about one that was making noise. It's a baby ffs, it doesn't have control over itself.
The miserable b*st*rd that swore about it... definitely should have.
I don't have kids but I sure as hell wouldn't feel it necessary to get nasty about one that was making noise. It's a baby ffs, it doesn't have control over itself.
The miserable b*st*rd that swore about it... definitely should have.
Nov 3, 2018, 9:30 am
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You've been quite passive aggressive through the replies to anyone daring to question, so I've lost sympathy and playing the on-edge, felt threatened all the way through the flight card doesn't work for me. Sorry.
You need to have dealt with this properly at the time. You didn't, Move on.
You need to have dealt with this properly at the time. You didn't, Move on.
On your second point. I mentioned feeling on-edge and feeling threatened in my first post. I’ve never changed this stance and was exactly how it made me feel. I spoke to the cabin crew working the cabin at the time. I’m really not sure what else I could of done other than confront him (which I’m not sure would of helped anyone).
Nov 3, 2018, 11:01 am
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You would need to know us and my daughter. She never cried and was distraught and my wife and I are both well travelled and very level headed. The situation was unique and very upsetting for everyone and I did think she was very ill. In the end it was probably just exhaustion. Its never happened since.
I have to disagree. The fact that cursing and foul language is tolerated does not mean it is right. Foul language would not be tolerated in the work place or in say, a court of law.
The use of foul language in a public place may be seen as harassment causing alarm, distress or a fear of violence. That shifts it into a criminal activity irrespective of whether there is actual violence.
I wish I could be as relaxed and accepting but I am in an ever decreasing minority in that I do not like animals in cabins. I find it really rather strange. In the USA the use of so called "emotional support animals" has got completely out of control. That said, recent LAX JFK flights on AA all had dogs in J, all tiny things in hand bags........Did not cause me any distress or disturbance but I couldn't help wondering what happens if someone was allergic.
I also have friends in HKG who only ever fly AF for the reason that they allow their cat in the cabin.
Genuinely conflicted here as my instinct is to recoil but as my wife said, I would be perfectly happy if it were a guide dog for example........
I have to disagree. The fact that cursing and foul language is tolerated does not mean it is right. Foul language would not be tolerated in the work place or in say, a court of law.
The use of foul language in a public place may be seen as harassment causing alarm, distress or a fear of violence. That shifts it into a criminal activity irrespective of whether there is actual violence.
I wish I could be as relaxed and accepting but I am in an ever decreasing minority in that I do not like animals in cabins. I find it really rather strange. In the USA the use of so called "emotional support animals" has got completely out of control. That said, recent LAX JFK flights on AA all had dogs in J, all tiny things in hand bags........Did not cause me any distress or disturbance but I couldn't help wondering what happens if someone was allergic.
I also have friends in HKG who only ever fly AF for the reason that they allow their cat in the cabin.
Genuinely conflicted here as my instinct is to recoil but as my wife said, I would be perfectly happy if it were a guide dog for example........
In which cabin do your friends travel with AF as I wondered if the animals were allowed in Business Class.
Nov 3, 2018, 11:02 am
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I love to play devils advocate... so here I go... "public tansport" .... love how people throw that term around in this thread to justify the baby crying but not the guy cursing...... so let me throw this right back at you.... if the parents didn't want to hear cussing /etc.. then shouldn't they be the one's to procure the "private jet"? So if the parents can't handle people getting upset with them and cussing about the kid crying for 1.5hrs.... they should quit their moaning..... an eye for an eye.... crying baby... bad acting adult..... equals itself out...