Flight load check - Sunday's BA274
Oct 21, 2018, 1:48 pm
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Flight load check - Sunday's BA274
Can anyone tell me what the load is like on tonight's (Sunday 21/10) BA274 from LAS?
Need the info to decide whether to buy an upgrade from WT+ to J (if available) or take my chances - have been lucky a few times on this route in the past.
Thanks.
Need the info to decide whether to buy an upgrade from WT+ to J (if available) or take my chances - have been lucky a few times on this route in the past.
Thanks.
Oct 21, 2018, 1:52 pm
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f1 a1 j6 c0 d0 r0 i0 w1 e0 t0 y6 b1h1 k1 m1 l0 v0 s0 n0 q0 o0 g0
Oct 21, 2018, 1:58 pm
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Interestingly the W cabin is fully seat-allocated yet they are happy to sell a full-fare W ticket. There are still quite a few unallocated seats in Y.
I don’t know the ins and outs of when LAS flyers check in etc but on similar loads and seat reservations from other destinations (SIN, BKK) I have generally left it to luck and been rewarded.
Please feed us with a data point whichever option you decide to pick.
I don’t know the ins and outs of when LAS flyers check in etc but on similar loads and seat reservations from other destinations (SIN, BKK) I have generally left it to luck and been rewarded.
Please feed us with a data point whichever option you decide to pick.
Oct 21, 2018, 2:01 pm
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Oct 21, 2018, 2:12 pm
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Oct 21, 2018, 2:22 pm
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@FinnRolo - If your not aware there is an existing thread on requesting loads here.
Help to check BA seat availability and BA flight loads
Help to check BA seat availability and BA flight loads
Oct 21, 2018, 2:57 pm
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@FinnRolo - If your not aware there is an existing thread on requesting loads here.
Help to check BA seat availability and BA flight loads
Help to check BA seat availability and BA flight loads
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Oct 21, 2018, 3:48 pm
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Fascinating insight here. I can understand y6 despite the already oversold cabin given the possibility of rolling forward upgrades. Equally I understand w1 given the spare space in Club World. What I am struggling to understand as a simple customer is why they are only offering f1 a1 when there are 2 seats free in First. Why isn't this f2 a1 to maximise revenue?
Oct 21, 2018, 3:54 pm
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Fascinating insight here. I can understand y6 despite the already oversold cabin given the possibility of rolling forward upgrades. Equally I understand w1 given the spare space in Club World. What I am struggling to understand as a simple customer is why they are only offering f1 a1 when there are 2 seats free in First. Why isn't this f2 a1 to maximise revenue?
Edit: I sort of get it now having thought about it - I think they are actually offering 2 seats in first, one in the A bucket and the other in the F bucket but some flexible business user might want F2...
Edit: I sort of get it now having thought about it - I think they are actually offering 2 seats in first, one in the A bucket and the other in the F bucket but some flexible business user might want F2...
while F2 might be revenue maximising it may well not be profit maximising - J and W are reputedly more profitable. If history shows the likelihood is that late bookers are more likely to buy those cabins and they are more profitable...then you’d offer those and restrict First.
Oct 21, 2018, 4:36 pm
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they are only offering one in First as A is a subset of F.
while F2 might be revenue maximising it may well not be profit maximising - J and W are reputedly more profitable. If history shows the likelihood is that late bookers are more likely to buy those cabins and they are more profitable...then you’d offer those and restrict First.
Oct 21, 2018, 5:07 pm
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Given how close we are to travel, it could also be a broken seat in F or reserved for staff travel (if that isn't accounted for in the internal load figures).
As there is no need to roll forward into F, my money is on a broken seat. I don't think there would need to be an extra crew member if they filled that last empty seat in F and while I can see logic in different availability in different points of sale, I can't see how it can maximise revenue to refuse to sell a full F fare when you have the seat, even if J is more profitable (because at the very least, doing so would free up an extra J seat).
I'm confused how you can have Y6 W1 too, given that those 6×Y would mean a total of 8 people rolling forward from W (the one oversale in W + the one existing oversale in Y + six more from Y taking up full seats in W and pushing forward, with a possible downgrade and offload as a result?). Surely you could just take a W fare and move them forward and close Y if you sold more W so that the W/Y availability could be more aligned - the marginal cost* of another ticket sold to BA will therefore be exactly the same whether the next ticket sold is in Y or J (they can't serve any more Y/W pax, so have to put an additional person into J), so why not take W as well even if they don't reduce the Y bucket as a result?
* Ignoring taxes and fees but those are passed through to the passenger. And of course no shows can change this entirely.
As there is no need to roll forward into F, my money is on a broken seat. I don't think there would need to be an extra crew member if they filled that last empty seat in F and while I can see logic in different availability in different points of sale, I can't see how it can maximise revenue to refuse to sell a full F fare when you have the seat, even if J is more profitable (because at the very least, doing so would free up an extra J seat).
I'm confused how you can have Y6 W1 too, given that those 6×Y would mean a total of 8 people rolling forward from W (the one oversale in W + the one existing oversale in Y + six more from Y taking up full seats in W and pushing forward, with a possible downgrade and offload as a result?). Surely you could just take a W fare and move them forward and close Y if you sold more W so that the W/Y availability could be more aligned - the marginal cost* of another ticket sold to BA will therefore be exactly the same whether the next ticket sold is in Y or J (they can't serve any more Y/W pax, so have to put an additional person into J), so why not take W as well even if they don't reduce the Y bucket as a result?
* Ignoring taxes and fees but those are passed through to the passenger. And of course no shows can change this entirely.
Oct 21, 2018, 5:10 pm
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they are only offering one in First as A is a subset of F.
while F2 might be revenue maximising it may well not be profit maximising - J and W are reputedly more profitable. If history shows the likelihood is that late bookers are more likely to buy those cabins and they are more profitable...then you’d offer those and restrict First.