I think I read over in the CX forum that Cathay are doing pretty much the same shuttering their outstation bases. Not that it makes it any better
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Originally Posted by Can I help you
(Post 30243632)
the race to the bottom continues. |
On my few visits to HK, I've been surprised by how little english is spoken. I was expecting something like SG where its common.
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Originally Posted by Can I help you
(Post 30243873)
As BA found out with hiring Japanese speakers any decent applicants won’t work for BA for peanuts and either don’t bother to apply or leave very quickly. |
Many, many "local" Chinese restaurants in HKG have zero English speakers. Travel outside the Tourism and Banking areas nowadays, and English is quite rare. And we are not going to send out the gunboats to change it.
And BA closing its local presence is completely daft. |
Originally Posted by Ancient Observer
(Post 30245333)
Many, many "local" Chinese restaurants in HKG have zero English speakers. Travel outside the Tourism and Banking areas nowadays, and English is quite rare. And we are not going to send out the gunboats to change it.
And BA closing its local presence is completely daft. English is VERY common and basic in HK, just like Singapore. They teach English in their school system, so basically anyone finish/attend their high school (Form 1-5) in HK, should able to communicate basic English (I am definitely not saying all can speak well). I am probably exaggerating, but I felt, more ppl speak English than Mandarin (different language to Cantonese). They don't even have Mandarin class until maybe 20 years ago (around 1997), but English as a study subject forever. Therefore, your statement probably true if this is 20-30 years ago, but not anymore. |
Originally Posted by sxc
(Post 30243900)
My limited experience flying the HKG route is that there are a higher proportion of non-HK people on BA compared to CX. Additionally the Chinese on these flights are more likely to be HK people rather than other asians since BA doesn’t have connecting traffic from China like CX does. HK people generally speak English so there’s not such a demand for Cantonese speaking crew. on the good side BA may get rid of these low-yielding pax. |
Originally Posted by NeedstoFly
(Post 30245304)
On my few visits to HK, I've been surprised by how little english is spoken. I was expecting something like SG where its common.
Originally Posted by gypsyjaney
(Post 30243960)
With the approach and then the advent of 1997 many local Chinese stopped bothering to learn much or any English. In fact a friend of mine was only recently turned away from a shop because he did not speak any Chinese. They refused to serve him.
Originally Posted by Can I help you
(Post 30243920)
That’s what I used to think sxc but surprisingly I am finding many non English speaking customers on our flights.
Originally Posted by Ancient Observer
(Post 30245333)
Many, many "local" Chinese restaurants in HKG have zero English speakers. Travel outside the Tourism and Banking areas nowadays, and English is quite rare. And we are not going to send out the gunboats to change it.
And BA closing its local presence is completely daft.
Originally Posted by Fly2Where
(Post 30245553)
IF you mean Hong Kong, I don't know where/how/why you have this impression, and I respectfully disagree. I visited HK at least once up to 4 times a year, I can HARDLY, but not impossible, find a local Chinese restaurant (ie Tea Restaurant) servers are not able to communicate in English, they have English menu nonetheless. While I understand NOT all server can speak English, they certainly have someone who is able to communicate in English. Even "Hawkers" in Shenzhen/HK boarder would able to communicate in English, not fluent, but one certainly can understand what they are selling.
English is VERY common and basic in HK, just like Singapore. They teach English in their school system, so basically anyone finish/attend their high school (Form 1-5) in HK, should able to communicate basic English (I am definitely not saying all can speak well). I am probably exaggerating, but I felt, more ppl speak English than Mandarin (different language to Cantonese). They don't even have Mandarin class until maybe 20 years ago (around 1997), but English as a study subject forever. Therefore, your statement probably true if this is 20-30 years ago, but not anymore. SO, if you go to those social housing estate, i shall bet on my last penny english wouldnt get you anywhere. Some of the hawkers near the border originates from the closest village groups in rural HK from back in the days. So no surprising they speak some english - it runs down the group. |
Originally Posted by Fly2Where
(Post 30245553)
IF you mean Hong Kong, I don't know where/how/why you have this impression, and I respectfully disagree. I visited HK at least once up to 4 times a year, I can HARDLY, but not impossible, find a local Chinese restaurant (ie Tea Restaurant) servers are not able to communicate in English, they have English menu nonetheless. While I understand NOT all server can speak English, they certainly have someone who is able to communicate in English. Even "Hawkers" in Shenzhen/HK boarder would able to communicate in English, not fluent, but one certainly can understand what they are selling.
English is VERY common and basic in HK, just like Singapore. They teach English in their school system, so basically anyone finish/attend their high school (Form 1-5) in HK, should able to communicate basic English (I am definitely not saying all can speak well). I am probably exaggerating, but I felt, more ppl speak English than Mandarin (different language to Cantonese). They don't even have Mandarin class until maybe 20 years ago (around 1997), but English as a study subject forever. Therefore, your statement probably true if this is 20-30 years ago, but not anymore. Standard of HK English has been going down for years from what I understand. When I first arrived 6 years ago I thought that English would have been ubiquitous (as a formal English colony), however that is not true. In fact, young people these days are more fluent in Mandarin than English. Try hopping onto a taxi and saying some place in English and see here that gets you (though I have taken taxis where some old man spoke very good English - those are rare). My landlord's son is ~35 and can't communicate in English (or even Mandarin) at all. His Dad can't too. And on the local "Tea Restaurant" or "Chaa Chan Teng" - let's pick a random one not visited by tourists even in Wan Chai. Chances are they can't speak English (or even have an English menu). Or try going to the wet market and using English... its really tough! |
Originally Posted by sxc
(Post 30243900)
My limited experience flying the HKG route is that there are a higher proportion of non-HK people on BA compared to CX. Additionally the Chinese on these flights are more likely to be HK people rather than other asians since BA doesn’t have connecting traffic from China like CX does. HK people generally speak English so there’s not such a demand for Cantonese speaking crew. I think it's more accurate to say that HK people who fly to the UK are more likely to speak English to a reasonable standard, compared to people from the PRC, possibly because a lot of the HK people live in the UK.
Originally Posted by Twin aisled
(Post 30244118)
Also, I am sure more people speak Spanish, than Cantonese, yet they still had issues on those other flights.
Originally Posted by NeedstoFly
(Post 30245304)
On my few visits to HK, I've been surprised by how little english is spoken. I was expecting something like SG where its common.
In Hong Kong English is only used professionally (e.g. in medicine and law) and to communicate to tourists and expats. It is almost never the native language of a HKer unless they were raised in an English-speaking country.
Originally Posted by Ancient Observer
(Post 30245333)
Many, many "local" Chinese restaurants in HKG have zero English speakers. Travel outside the Tourism and Banking areas nowadays, and English is quite rare.
The gradual influx of mainland Chinese over the past 20 years means that a lot of them have found jobs in restaurants, and those people didn't learn English at school (and may not have gone to school at all). Some of them can barely speak Cantonese although they try.
Originally Posted by Fly2Where
(Post 30245553)
I visited HK at least once up to 4 times a year, I can HARDLY, but not impossible, find a local Chinese restaurant (ie Tea Restaurant) servers are not able to communicate in English, they have English menu nonetheless. While I understand NOT all server can speak English, they certainly have someone who is able to communicate in English.
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Originally Posted by Can I help you
(Post 30243760)
A few hundred long serving loyal cabin crew loose their jobs and there will be no Cantonese speaking crew onboard, it matters! |
Originally Posted by drvannostren
(Post 30246225)
I seriously doubt this...London is chock full of people from every nation. Just like Air Canada, (who may or may not have an HK base, I don't know) it's plenty easy for them to recruit cabin crew of differing origins who speak other languages. I do feel for the people who lose their jobs, I don't really think it impacts the passengers much.
If someone has got any form of decent language skills ( by this I mean University level graduate / spent time in the country ) they will be able to get a job with a much higher stating salary than BA. I am not well versed in Cantonese works but I can tell you that someone with GCSE / A-Level Japanese will NOT cut it in premium cabins trying to communicate to a high flying Japanese customer in their native language. Japanese has very complex speech patterns depending on who you are talking to and the most demanding customers can look down VERY much on the slightest language mistakes. At the very simplest level you could say its like knowing how to say "Wanna drink?" vs "Would Sir care for a drink?". Not to mention being able to read when a Japanese client is using tatemae as well - knowig when they are saying one thing and meaning something else. |
Originally Posted by mrploddy
(Post 30246433)
knowig when they are saying one thing and meaning something else.
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Originally Posted by Fly2Where
(Post 30245553)
IF you mean Hong Kong, I don't know where/how/why you have this impression, and I respectfully disagree. I visited HK at least once up to 4 times a year, I can HARDLY, but not impossible, find a local Chinese restaurant (ie Tea Restaurant) servers are not able to communicate in English, they have English menu nonetheless. While I understand NOT all server can speak English, they certainly have someone who is able to communicate in English. Even "Hawkers" in Shenzhen/HK boarder would able to communicate in English, not fluent, but one certainly can understand what they are selling.
English is VERY common and basic in HK, just like Singapore. They teach English in their school system, so basically anyone finish/attend their high school (Form 1-5) in HK, should able to communicate basic English (I am definitely not saying all can speak well). I am probably exaggerating, but I felt, more ppl speak English than Mandarin (different language to Cantonese). They don't even have Mandarin class until maybe 20 years ago (around 1997), but English as a study subject forever. Therefore, your statement probably true if this is 20-30 years ago, but not anymore. I was surprised when comparing to KL and Penang because the level of English of the average Malaysian is definitely higher (even if it is similar to Singlish and has cute expressions like Can can lah). Back to the topic on hand, I'm flying first class from HKG to LHR in January, I selfishly hope the base doesn't close before that (and that the crew is not depressed because of that) |
Confirmed to close after 31 October 2018.
All their staff received the letter from BA. Bad news. |
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