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BA to close HKG base [confirmed for Cabin Crew]

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Old Sep 28, 18, 1:52 pm
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My wife and I have an upcoming trip to HKG with BA. We will both have to check for availability of Cantonese speaking crew and if it is lacking compared to previous trips we will make our displeasure known. Since we are both gold and travelling in F it might have a little weight. Although most of the TPs for our gold cards, and the avios paying for the trip came from flying CX J. I rather suspect we will be leaning towards CX even more in future.
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Old Sep 28, 18, 1:57 pm
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Please don’t bother telling the cabin crew as we are all feeling the pain of our colleagues in Hong Kong.
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Old Sep 28, 18, 2:10 pm
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I was thinking of telling the CSD and then following up with abcomplaint, assuming it will be an issue. Is this not the best way?

I appreciate it is unlikely to make a difference to the HK base, but I think it is important to let BA know the value of multilingual, route appropriate crew.
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Old Sep 28, 18, 2:28 pm
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Please donít bother telling the cabin crew as we are all feeling the pain of our colleagues in Hong Kong.
Just tell BA, as a CSD I have no influence with any BA management.
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Old Sep 28, 18, 2:30 pm
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Old Sep 28, 18, 2:32 pm
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Were is the appeal?
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Old Sep 28, 18, 2:34 pm
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Old Sep 28, 18, 2:44 pm
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Sorry a bit slow there, beaten to it.
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Old Sep 28, 18, 2:51 pm
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Nearly 10 years ago to the day when it was announced the GLA base would close with the loss of 130 jobs.
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Old Sep 28, 18, 3:31 pm
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I am no legal pro but it appears BA may be in breach of the IAG GROUP SLAVERY AND HUMAN TRAFFICKING STATEMENT also wouldn't they have consulted local union representatives before proceeding?

https://www.britishairways.com/cms/g...ng_Current.pdf

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Old Sep 28, 18, 3:46 pm
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This is sad and appalling and I hope all the donations put together can tide the sacked crew over a few more days.

Best wishes to all involved.
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Old Sep 28, 18, 4:14 pm
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Originally Posted by icegirl View Post
I am no legal pro but it appears BA may be in breach of the IAG GROUP SLAVERY AND HUMAN TRAFFICKING STATEMENT also wouldn't they have consulted local union representatives before proceeding?

https://www.britishairways.com/cms/g...ng_Current.pdf
That is, to say the least, something of a curveball theory. Clearly, however badly the HK crew have been treated, they are not being trafficked or forced into modern day slavery.

They are also not covered by the European Trade Union agreements, plus we know whatever words IAG puts out what the real attitude to Industrial Relations is.

The issue here is not that BA has broken the law - it clearly hasn’t - but the callous, uncaring, brutal manner of the implementation.
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Old Sep 28, 18, 4:29 pm
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The issue here is not that BA has broken the law - it clearly hasnít - but the callous, uncaring, brutal manner of the implementation.
The HKG crew are saying that BA are calculating their 'redundancy pay' using their basic salary not monthly pay (which includes flying rates etc).

I would not be confident to say BA "clearly hasn't" broken laws, especially when I don't know those of Hong Kong.
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Originally Posted by NWIFlyer View Post
That is, to say the least, something of a curveball theory. Clearly, however badly the HK crew have been treated, they are not being trafficked or forced into modern day slavery.

They are also not covered by the European Trade Union agreements, plus we know whatever words IAG puts out what the real attitude to Industrial Relations is.

The issue here is not that BA has broken the law - it clearly hasnít - but the callous, uncaring, brutal manner of the implementation.
I see where you are coming from but I am stating words from what BA has to abide by such as

IAG expects all employees to be treated with dignity and respect.

Our Operating Companies consult with employee representative bodies, including trade unions and works councils
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Also why have the HK crew not taken advantage of the "whistleblowing channels"?
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Old Sep 28, 18, 5:59 pm
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Originally Posted by MarkFlies View Post


The HKG crew are saying that BA are calculating their 'redundancy pay' using their basic salary not monthly pay (which includes flying rates etc).

I would not be confident to say BA "clearly hasn't" broken laws, especially when I don't know those of Hong Kong.
1) although this would not stand in hk courts, it would stand in the labour tribunal (the tribunal is full of midget judicaries). so they will have to go to higher courts to get the pay properly.
2) carol ng is also the head of CTU (the non-communist backing trade union in HK) so is massively targeted by commie media.
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