Cheeky or perfectly reasonable?
#31
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Unfortunately the crew have nothing free to give out, even if they wanted to. There’s no catering uplift downroute, and BA doesn’t own the stock in the BOB trolleys so can only give it out free of charge under certain agreed scenarios with Tourvest. A delay is not one of these.
If you had a lounge, or a light meal voucher in the airport because of the delay then BA met the requirements.
If you had a lounge, or a light meal voucher in the airport because of the delay then BA met the requirements.
It might be understandable if BA didn't have a record of trying to avoid responsibilities in this area.....
#32
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Complimentary M & S kicks in after a delay exceeding 150 minutes, but again practicalities need to be considered ...if there are trollies out in the cabin and the delay suddenly comes forward or is removed altogether, the aircraft won’t be ready for departure. The other practical point is that there simply isn’t enough product loaded for all pax if the flight is full.
Common sense as well as duty of care considerstions !
In fairness, it usually becomes quite clear when the delay situation is hopeless, and there is no likelihood of an improvement.
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#33
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Why does duty of care mean I need to be fed and watered after 2 hours? I normally go for a lot longer without so why must it be given out on the dot?
I’m sure there will be some people who need food and drink, but everyone?
I’m sure there will be some people who need food and drink, but everyone?
#34
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Was this the BA1486? I was on that flight as well. After we were kicked off the first plane a couple ahead of me asked the check-in staff about food/drinks vouchers. They were asked to check at the customer services desk rather than at the gate. I don't know what was offered as I also disappeared into the lounge.
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#37
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I can also manage without, but that doesn't mean the needs of others should be ignored. That sounds a bit selfish to me.
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The airline industry already had an excellent reputation for bending over backwards to provide swift redress for grievances or related loss arising from delayed flights or downgrades etc etc. Didn’t it ..... ?
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Women and children first is there to prevent men using their strength to push others inherently weaker than themselves out of the way. As men need more calories than either women or children they should get the first allocation.
#41
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Is it true cws has a squeaky mickey mouse voice he uses on such occasions to secure himself a stash of Percy Pig sweeties?
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As for the other comments about how the priorities were chosen, the poor guy had to do something, nobody on board complained about his decision at the time.
If some DYKWIA, possibly with some shiny plastic, started suggesting that it was discriminatory and that status should be used instead then I am sure the cabin crew would have looked after them in an appropriate manner, as I know cabin crew are very good at doing.
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It's interesting how other airlines handle this. From my US travels I know that Allegiant will offer an $8 voucher after a four-hour delay and you'll be lucky if that gets you much given airport prices. I have seen AA wheel out a snack cart with drinks, crisps etc. When at SJC recently DL were ordering pizzas for those impacted by delays. We were in two minds whether to take the earlier flight or wait for our delayed flight and have pizza for tea
However, in terms of who should be fed first I would be tempted to suggest children, the elderly, mums to be, and then others. Years ago a friend and I were taking Amtrak's Coast Starlight from Seattle to Los Angeles but due to a landslide we ended up on a bus from Portland to Klamath Falls where we'd get back on the train. Knowing that there would be no chance of dinner on the train we ordered a stupidly oversized pizza which was delivered to the station. We ate probably 1/8th of the pizza before departure and then waddled to the Pacific Parlor Car to have a couple of nightcaps. The rest of the pizza was offered to the kids queuing with their parents waiting to get served - and where the alternatives were just crisps and sweets and nothing else of substance. It was a small gesture but you had very happy children, plus a lot of very happy parents who were saved from continually hearing "Mom, I'm hungry" from their offspring!
However, in terms of who should be fed first I would be tempted to suggest children, the elderly, mums to be, and then others. Years ago a friend and I were taking Amtrak's Coast Starlight from Seattle to Los Angeles but due to a landslide we ended up on a bus from Portland to Klamath Falls where we'd get back on the train. Knowing that there would be no chance of dinner on the train we ordered a stupidly oversized pizza which was delivered to the station. We ate probably 1/8th of the pizza before departure and then waddled to the Pacific Parlor Car to have a couple of nightcaps. The rest of the pizza was offered to the kids queuing with their parents waiting to get served - and where the alternatives were just crisps and sweets and nothing else of substance. It was a small gesture but you had very happy children, plus a lot of very happy parents who were saved from continually hearing "Mom, I'm hungry" from their offspring!
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It's interesting how other airlines handle this. From my US travels I know that Allegiant will offer an $8 voucher after a four-hour delay and you'll be lucky if that gets you much given airport prices. I have seen AA wheel out a snack cart with drinks, crisps etc. When at SJC recently DL were ordering pizzas for those impacted by delays. We were in two minds whether to take the earlier flight or wait for our delayed flight and have pizza for tea
BA has been known to do something like this occasionally, during one of last winter's events I saw Pret deliver about a dozen large boxes of sandwiches and water, which were then distributed along the check-in concourse at T5. More usually the gate agents can get permission to print vouchers in the £4 to £8 region, directly from the FLY terminals, which are then given to non lounge passengers. This can be done airside or landside, and in almost all airports thanks to FLY. These vouchers are usually valid in pretty much everywhere in the airport. That's assuming we get to 2 hours at the gate: one common scenario is 90 minutes at the gate, 60 minutes on board, in which case nothing much happens. My own view is that once you see the clock go over 30 minutes or so, the writing is often on the wall, so just spend a few quid buying something even if it is just comfort rubbish. If you go over 2 hours you can claim it, and if not, it's not worth getting worked up about. The bigger issue are those smaller airports with few facilities, no wifi, no lounge, just you and the plastic seat.
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Yes, the main airlines at their hubs in the USA have got a lot better of late. They will have cart somewhere stored, with things like water, soda, salty snacks on it, and will wheel it to a gate when it is clear there is a problem - topped up with some fruit they buy at the last moment. I'm sure they have found it worth their weight in gold in terms of reducing hassle for the ground staff.