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Japan conundrum: Book with Avios now or wait for GGL joker?

Japan conundrum: Book with Avios now or wait for GGL joker?

Old Sep 13, 18, 8:46 am
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Japan conundrum: Book with Avios now or wait for GGL joker?

Mini conundrum.

Some Avios availability has come up from London to Japan. But the return airport is HND and I was hoping for NRT. It's also a day later than planned, thus an extra hotel night's stay.

Now, I should hit GGL around a month prior to my desired travel dates, thus I'll have a joker to use, but I'm concerned there'll be no availability in First with such short notice.

I'll be using a 2-4-1 and GUF2 for great value. But I don't want the joker to go to waste (it'll have around a month of value before the next year's is available - not sure I'll have the money to book anything else!).

Oh what to do...

[I know it's oh-so-tough having lots of great options, but you lot know the drill and I appreciate the advice]
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Old Sep 13, 18, 8:51 am
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Take what you can now. You can always cancel and change them to Joker if you feel so inclined later.

Why?

1) Joker requires A class availability AND fewer than 5 seats having been released for Joker purposes for the cabin. It might therefore not work. I have a very high Joker failure rate, although SIN/SYD probably don't help.
2) Some change of plans may result in your not becoming GGL
3) You may have better use for a Joker in the future.
4) You can just cancel a booking you make now for £30 if you find availability later, under a Joker or otherwise.
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Old Sep 14, 18, 2:30 am
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I thought GGL got free cancellation of avios bookings? Never been GGL so may well be wrong on that.
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Old Sep 14, 18, 3:23 am
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Originally Posted by hypercrypt View Post
I thought GGL got free cancellation of avios bookings? Never been GGL so may well be wrong on that.
Yes, once OP is GGL but not before.
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Old Sep 14, 18, 3:55 am
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Just as an FYI BA T&C changed and joker is not good only for 4 people (holder + 3 to accompany oneself).
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Old Sep 14, 18, 5:21 am
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Just out of curiosity, why would you prefer NRT over HND? Different equipment?
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Old Sep 14, 18, 6:08 am
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Originally Posted by AAtticus View Post
Just out of curiosity, why would you prefer NRT over HND? Different equipment?
HND is closer to the centre of Tokyo,though more so by distance than time, but NRT has a 787 (better equipment) and what I would consider better timings (an early night and a lie in on local times, rather than potentially staying up until bedtime at your departure before emerging in the early morning when you land).
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Old Sep 14, 18, 6:55 am
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JL44 is the only well timed flight to tokyo in my opinion - but that doesnt help the OP,
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Old Sep 14, 18, 7:52 am
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Originally Posted by AAtticus View Post
Just out of curiosity, why would you prefer NRT over HND? Different equipment?
787 First trumps 777 First IMO, plus the departure is 12:55 rather than 08:50, which gives a bit more breathing room despite the extra distance.

Coming into HND also arrives at 07:10, whereas NRT is 11:15, which is better arrival time to get into town and to actively check-in to a hotel.
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Old Sep 14, 18, 7:53 am
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Originally Posted by nufnuf77 View Post
JL44 is the only well timed flight to tokyo in my opinion - but that doesnt help the OP,
Sadly not, as about 150% more Avios to use that (no 2-4-1, no GUF2 applicability). Never flown JAL J/F though, so certainly curious!
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Old Sep 14, 18, 5:15 pm
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Booked!
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​​​​Snagged LHR-NRT, staying six nights. Returning HND-LHR.

First both ways, used GUF2 and 2-4-1 and it was £565 and 75,000 Avios per person.

Absolute bargain I believe.
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Old Sep 14, 18, 5:24 pm
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Originally Posted by mmxbreaks View Post
Booked!
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​​​​Snagged LHR-NRT, staying six nights. Returning HND-LHR.

First both ways, used GUF2 and 2-4-1 and it was £565 and 75,000 Avios per person.

Absolute bargain I believe.
not a bargain but simply buying two full F fares on JAL can also be v civilised: just option value and itís handy to chop and change flight as your plans change - Iím a big fan of fully flexible tickets. On our last Tokyo the ability to wake up and decide to linger over breakfast and just get a different flight is a joy.

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Old Sep 14, 18, 5:36 pm
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not a bargain but simply buying two full F fares on JAL can also be v civilised: just option value and itís handy to chop and change flight as your plans change - Iím a big fan of fully flexible tickets. On our last Tokyo the ability to wake up and decide to linger over breakfast and just get a different flight is a joy.

Seeing as OW F tickets for two based on a six night return out of London are £8,496 at their cheapest from now until the end of availability at present, I feel that 150K Avios to save £7,365 is an absolute bargain. Ticket is flexible for 24hrs from booking and can be cancelled for £70 until 24hrs prior to departure.
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Old Sep 14, 18, 11:52 pm
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Originally Posted by DFB_london View Post


not a bargain but simply buying two full F fares on JAL can also be v civilised: just option value and it’s handy to chop and change flight as your plans change - I’m a big fan of fully flexible tickets. On our last Tokyo the ability to wake up and decide to linger over breakfast and just get a different flight is a joy.

Stating the obvious here but fully flexible cash tickets are good until you find the flight that you want to change to are full, of course. I had to shift my dates 3 days on a fully flexible F ticket because there were simply no seats.

Only fully flexible so far as seats are available.

Personally, I think the OP got really good value here.
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Old Sep 22, 18, 2:58 am
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Great value, IMHO... Enjoy the trip!
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