Farewell 767s. Thanks for the memories
Sep 23, 2018, 10:51 am
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Its long been my suspicion (and hope) which has been backed up by galley FM for what it’s worth that the 787-8 may make an appearance on some of the short haul 767 routes if and when RR can get the engine issues sorted and there’s a bit more capacity in the fleet...
Sep 24, 2018, 12:20 am
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They are very fuel inefficient and I would think would require considerable investment in bringing the cabins up to BA’s current standard (to which read what you will!).
The replacement is likely to be the A320NEO series which provides a much improved cost per passenger km, partly through more fuel efficient engines, partly through higher seat density.
So to clarify: the pilots were only certified to fly 767s. In a few weeks time, they will have to have been through any conversion courses to be any use to BA as active employees.
The replacement is likely to be the A320NEO series which provides a much improved cost per passenger km, partly through more fuel efficient engines, partly through higher seat density.
So to clarify: the pilots were only certified to fly 767s. In a few weeks time, they will have to have been through any conversion courses to be any use to BA as active employees.
Sep 24, 2018, 12:22 am
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That's a bit harsh! 
There are all sorts of interesting opportunities for pilots to be useful at an airline like BA without actually flying aircraft. Most pilots are smart people and I wonder if the retirement of their type might even cause some to choose to find a new vocation. Maybe something closely related to flying like training; something operationally focused but a bit more distant like emergency planning; day to day operations control centre; catering, ground services or the like; or something more strategic like revenue management, corporate sales, fleet planning or network planning.
Almost surely most will stay pilots though.
There are all sorts of interesting opportunities for pilots to be useful at an airline like BA without actually flying aircraft. Most pilots are smart people and I wonder if the retirement of their type might even cause some to choose to find a new vocation. Maybe something closely related to flying like training; something operationally focused but a bit more distant like emergency planning; day to day operations control centre; catering, ground services or the like; or something more strategic like revenue management, corporate sales, fleet planning or network planning.
Almost surely most will stay pilots though.
Sep 24, 2018, 12:24 am
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Yes when the 767s retire all the pilots still on it (this will be a gradual process with lots of BAs 767 already started/converted) will be transferred to another fleet. Possibly 777 or A320 series or whereever BA need pilots. They will go through the conversion and new type rating which will take a couple months I think. (Possibly quicker if they are going to the 777 than the A320) and then they will fly the new fleet. They will remain BA employees throughout unless they choose to retire. (Possible for some of the oldest Captains)
Sep 24, 2018, 5:03 am
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The likelihood of them flying for another carrier will be slim due to their RR engines. They are quite a rare breed and there isn't the option to fit winglets either.
Sep 24, 2018, 6:09 am
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Whilst there's still the RR engine issue, which would be at odds with the CFM units in their current fleet of 737s, anyone likely to make a case for Comair operating them?
Sep 24, 2018, 8:21 am
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I've had three AMS flights in the past few weeks, the most recent also this morning - including an ex-EU B2B on which the CC insisted we visit the flight deck after. The captain and FO had been flying solely 767s for about 12 years and their belief was that our particular metal had at least another 10 to go, so these may well end up being sold on rather than scrapped.
Rather more interesting in terms of crew deployment was that neither of them had yet been re-certified for any other types, so possibly BA will start to roll that through only once the final retirements start to take effect.
Rather more interesting in terms of crew deployment was that neither of them had yet been re-certified for any other types, so possibly BA will start to roll that through only once the final retirements start to take effect.
good riddance to them. Too small a fleet so often late, rubbish CE layout (though better seat pitch), overheads hopeless for today’s carry on, leaking loos and door 2 Hearhrow exit scrum, plus the noise and gas guzzling are things neither I nor the environment will miss.
Sep 24, 2018, 8:29 am
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the avionics probably don’t. I for one won’t be keen to ride a 40 year old plane in a decade.
good riddance to them. Too small a fleet so often late, rubbish CE layout (though better seat pitch), overheads hopeless for today’s carry on, leaking loos and door 2 Hearhrow exit scrum, plus the noise and gas guzzling are things neither I nor the environment will miss.
To suggest that they would somehow be unsafe in another 10 years doesn't, for me, stack up. If it did I wouldn't have been flying on a Comair 737 - which would most likely have seen far more rotations - recently ...
It's economic reality that has done for the fleet, not safety.
Sep 24, 2018, 12:22 pm
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I can't particularly disagree with much of your second paragraph, but BA's 767s are currently nothing like 30 years old - they are mostly floating around 1998 delivery dates. That really is no age at all for an airframe. I'd also expect that the cockpit avionics, at least, have been updated.
To suggest that they would somehow be unsafe in another 10 years doesn't, for me, stack up. If it did I wouldn't have been flying on a Comair 737 - which would most likely have seen far more rotations - recently ...
It's economic reality that has done for the fleet, not safety.
To suggest that they would somehow be unsafe in another 10 years doesn't, for me, stack up. If it did I wouldn't have been flying on a Comair 737 - which would most likely have seen far more rotations - recently ...
It's economic reality that has done for the fleet, not safety.
Some of the 767 CSDs were great but they seemed to get the chop before Easter so that appeal went too.
in CE at least I’ll be glad to see them gone. Sometimes it’s been hard to avoid them on some routes
Sep 27, 2018, 1:28 pm
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Sep 28, 2018, 1:08 am
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So from what he said, yeah but no kinda thing....
Got my 4h sectors to IST on the A320 coming up soon so after that I guess I'll at least have the more balanced opinion.
Sep 29, 2018, 3:47 pm
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Had probably my last flight on 767 this week - EDI-LHR. I'll really miss the seats, which are much bigger and significantly more comfortable, along with better seat pitch, than anything on the A319/20/21 fleet (beyond the CW configured 321s!). A few mins of turbulence on the approach into LHR as a final salute before landing. Happy memories 😎