'Downgrade' from CW to CE to Amman
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But are they advertised differently, such as "lie flat bed" vs. "empty middle seat"? If the offer (to then argue loss of in CRA) is CE empty middle seat for both it would be a particularly fussy customer who complained they had to endure actual empty space around them, but selecting based on bed offer and ending up with empty seat is a different thing.
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None of that means anything other than that LHR-AMM is priced differently to LHR-LCA
HIP doesn't impact routing - it only comes into play where a stopover occurs. You can transit without worrying about HIP/HIF
The YY CIF fare can be used to go LHR-AMM-LCA as long as the 5% supplement for the MPM being exceeded by 5% is paid and as long as there are YY participating airlines for each of those sectors
GBP1350 plus GBP67.50 plus taxes for LHR-AMM-LCA would be valid as long as no stopover
Put a stopover in at AMM then then HIP rule would apply and the fare would increase to GBP2561
HIP doesn't impact routing - it only comes into play where a stopover occurs. You can transit without worrying about HIP/HIF
The YY CIF fare can be used to go LHR-AMM-LCA as long as the 5% supplement for the MPM being exceeded by 5% is paid and as long as there are YY participating airlines for each of those sectors
GBP1350 plus GBP67.50 plus taxes for LHR-AMM-LCA would be valid as long as no stopover
Put a stopover in at AMM then then HIP rule would apply and the fare would increase to GBP2561
(ii) Can we construct the fare shown (GBP 2,175 + TAX) using the information available without concluding that something else must be happening? If so, I cannot see it
(iii) You are of course correct about the classical HIP, but I am imagining a more advanced species that BA might have built (and which I refer to as "a species of HIP" for want of a better name) to protect CW vs. CE product.
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(i) I am considering an open jaw return with a turnaround at AMM/LCA, so LHR-AMM-SURFACE-LCA-LHR and neither a transit nor a stopover
(ii) Can we construct the fare shown (GBP 2,175 + TAX) using the information available without concluding that something else must be happening? If so, I cannot see it
(iii) You are of course correct about the classical HIP, but I am imagining a more advanced species that BA might have built (and which I refer to as "a species of HIP" for want of a better name) to protect CW vs. CE product.
(ii) Can we construct the fare shown (GBP 2,175 + TAX) using the information available without concluding that something else must be happening? If so, I cannot see it
(iii) You are of course correct about the classical HIP, but I am imagining a more advanced species that BA might have built (and which I refer to as "a species of HIP" for want of a better name) to protect CW vs. CE product.
If there is a surface sector, then there isn't a transit. If you book LHR-AMM-LCA with just a transit in AMM, then the YY CIF fare will price as per LHR-LCA with an excess milesage cost
If you were to return LCA-LHR via AMM, that would be valid to be used for the YY fare
You are inventing a version of HIP for which there is no evidence of it existing and , even if it did, would have no bearing on a YY fare
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So completely spurious with nothing to support it
Fares are based on markets not distance - UK to Jordan is not the same as UK to Cyprus. You can take advantage of low fares by transitting. In the same way that fares from A-B can be completely different to B-A
Looking at the YY fares , as an example, these are not tied to a specific airline so cannot be based on type of product - choice of airline and aeroplane will determine what product is offered.
UK-Jordan is just a market that can bear higher fares , so it has them.
If you were to do LHR-AMM / LCA-LHR then can use 50% r/t fare for LHR-AMM plus 50% r/t fare for LHR-LCA or 2 x one way tickets
If you then route on an airline with a better product, then that is your choice, but there would be no discount for choosing an airline that sells economy class with an empty seat as business class - it is simply based on booking classes
Originally Posted by Sixth Freedom
Apart from the fare I state - can you show how it is calculated please without resorting to extra-terrestrial explanations because I am not sure I can
Looking at the YY fares , as an example, these are not tied to a specific airline so cannot be based on type of product - choice of airline and aeroplane will determine what product is offered.
UK-Jordan is just a market that can bear higher fares , so it has them.
If you were to do LHR-AMM / LCA-LHR then can use 50% r/t fare for LHR-AMM plus 50% r/t fare for LHR-LCA or 2 x one way tickets
If you then route on an airline with a better product, then that is your choice, but there would be no discount for choosing an airline that sells economy class with an empty seat as business class - it is simply based on booking classes
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BA could do a better job all around by not segmenting its cabin classes quite so much and using cutesey marketing terms such as CW and CE. It could also make clear in its marketing collateral that it makes every effort to provide the amenities listed, but does not guarantee them and their absence does not entitle the passenger to any form of a refund.
Unlikely to cost BA any appreciable business and, on the other hand, end what is going to be a routine issue in markets where there is not much to be done other than sub in an aircraft with a different configuration.
Unlikely to cost BA any appreciable business and, on the other hand, end what is going to be a routine issue in markets where there is not much to be done other than sub in an aircraft with a different configuration.
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Got comfy too soon.
Turns out I was overbooked into j meaning an involuntary downgrade to y. Thanks BA. CW to CE to two hours on the phone to royal Jordan J to Y.
I have got the difference in avois back already and a big apology, they also accepted that this was their mistake and that it should never have happened. By the end I was just grateful to get on the plane at all but a complaint will be made when I get back.
Obviously no avois back for ms gaxxy as it was a companion voucher...
Turns out I was overbooked into j meaning an involuntary downgrade to y. Thanks BA. CW to CE to two hours on the phone to royal Jordan J to Y.
I have got the difference in avois back already and a big apology, they also accepted that this was their mistake and that it should never have happened. By the end I was just grateful to get on the plane at all but a complaint will be made when I get back.
Obviously no avois back for ms gaxxy as it was a companion voucher...
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You are just seeming to try and consider it based on how you want it to come out
If there is a surface sector, then there isn't a transit. If you book LHR-AMM-LCA with just a transit in AMM, then the YY CIF fare will price as per LHR-LCA with an excess milesage cost
If you were to return LCA-LHR via AMM, that would be valid to be used for the YY fare
You are inventing a version of HIP for which there is no evidence of it existing and , even if it did, would have no bearing on a YY fare
If there is a surface sector, then there isn't a transit. If you book LHR-AMM-LCA with just a transit in AMM, then the YY CIF fare will price as per LHR-LCA with an excess milesage cost
If you were to return LCA-LHR via AMM, that would be valid to be used for the YY fare
You are inventing a version of HIP for which there is no evidence of it existing and , even if it did, would have no bearing on a YY fare
#54
Got comfy too soon.
Turns out I was overbooked into j meaning an involuntary downgrade to y. Thanks BA. CW to CE to two hours on the phone to royal Jordan J to Y.
I have got the difference in avois back already and a big apology, they also accepted that this was their mistake and that it should never have happened. By the end I was just grateful to get on the plane at all but a complaint will be made when I get back.
Obviously no avois back for ms gaxxy as it was a companion voucher...
Turns out I was overbooked into j meaning an involuntary downgrade to y. Thanks BA. CW to CE to two hours on the phone to royal Jordan J to Y.
I have got the difference in avois back already and a big apology, they also accepted that this was their mistake and that it should never have happened. By the end I was just grateful to get on the plane at all but a complaint will be made when I get back.
Obviously no avois back for ms gaxxy as it was a companion voucher...