Heathrow Third Runway Approved by Parliament
Dec 19, 2019, 9:57 am
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Example Drew Hendry (MP for Inverness) claimed over Ł16k/pa for flights.
https://www.theipsa.org.uk/mp-costs/...p/drew-hendry/
Much easier by air, although he occassionally takes the Caledonian Sleeper
Dec 19, 2019, 10:18 am
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IAG are seeing the election result as an opportunity to try and stop - or at least reduce the cost of - Heathrow expansion:
https://www.iairgroup.com/~/media/Fi...2019/IAG14.pdf
https://www.iairgroup.com/~/media/Fi...2019/IAG14.pdf
Dec 19, 2019, 1:13 pm
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Oh, spare us all the Boris Island concept. It’s so impracticable and unaffordable on so many levels. I hope Boris has moved ‘swiftly on’ into reality.
Dec 19, 2019, 2:01 pm
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Dec 19, 2019, 11:19 pm
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Delayed, and not even got off the ground...
BBC News - Heathrow third runway 'delayed for 12 months'
BBC News - Heathrow third runway 'delayed for 12 months'
Heathrow has said its project to build a third runway has been delayed by "at least 12 months" after the aviation regulator rejected its spending plans.
The Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) has refused Heathrow's request to lift spending from Ł650m to Ł2.4bn before it even gets planning consent.
The Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) has refused Heathrow's request to lift spending from Ł650m to Ł2.4bn before it even gets planning consent.
Dec 20, 2019, 1:06 am
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Well, Heathrow aren’t allowed to spend as much as they wanted to on construction before being granted planning permission, but are allowed to spend twice as much on planning.
So it’s the spending caps that lead to the delay, not just a delay for delay’s sake.
On the fence with this one. It’s a bit like starting to build an extension when there’s no planning permission yet, so I can see why that was a “shovels in the ground” approach of Heathrow that didn’t go down well.
So it’s the spending caps that lead to the delay, not just a delay for delay’s sake.
On the fence with this one. It’s a bit like starting to build an extension when there’s no planning permission yet, so I can see why that was a “shovels in the ground” approach of Heathrow that didn’t go down well.
Dec 20, 2019, 1:18 am
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Well, Heathrow aren’t allowed to spend as much as they wanted to on construction before being granted planning permission, but are allowed to spend twice as much on planning.
So it’s the spending caps that lead to the delay, not just a delay for delay’s sake.
On the fence with this one. It’s a bit like starting to build an extension when there’s no planning permission yet, so I can see why that was a “shovels in the ground” approach of Heathrow that didn’t go down well.
So it’s the spending caps that lead to the delay, not just a delay for delay’s sake.
On the fence with this one. It’s a bit like starting to build an extension when there’s no planning permission yet, so I can see why that was a “shovels in the ground” approach of Heathrow that didn’t go down well.
Dec 20, 2019, 1:34 am
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Theresa May had an about turn on Heathrow whilst PM. Was against it as it's not very popular in Maidenhead, but supported it when PM due to the wider national interest overriding her constituency's.
Then again, I don't believe she said she would lie down in front of the bulldozers...
I also don't believe that the third runway will ever be built.
Then again, I don't believe she said she would lie down in front of the bulldozers...
I also don't believe that the third runway will ever be built.
Dec 20, 2019, 2:07 am
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but Ł2.8bn does seem a bit excessive if you’re not guaranteed to get planning permission...
Dec 16, 2020, 3:24 am
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New chapter to the saga!
The scheme was previously blocked by the Appeal Court, who said the government’s airports strategy didn’t meet up-to-date UK climate targets.
But the Supreme Court has ruled the strategy was legitimately based on previous, less stringent, climate targets at the time it was agreed.
The firm behind Heathrow can now seek planning permission for the runway.
But it still faces major obstacles, including having to persuade a public enquiry of the case for expansion.
And if planning inspectors approve the scheme, the government will still have the final say.
Ministers have been advised by their Climate Change Committee that, in order to keep emissions down, Heathrow should only expand if regional airports contract.
This will pose a problem for a government that’s committed to improving infrastructure away from the South-East.
And a full application from Heathrow Airport may still be more than a year away as the airport re-assembles a planning team and strives to cope with Covid.
Rest here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55322340
Still, with Covid and everything I struggle to see the need for a runway 3 in the meantime... or a willingness from the airlines to pay for the pharaonic project HAL had come up with.
Supreme Court lifts ban on Heathrow third runway
The Supreme Court has breathed new life into plans for a third runway at Heathrow Airport.The scheme was previously blocked by the Appeal Court, who said the government’s airports strategy didn’t meet up-to-date UK climate targets.
But the Supreme Court has ruled the strategy was legitimately based on previous, less stringent, climate targets at the time it was agreed.
The firm behind Heathrow can now seek planning permission for the runway.
But it still faces major obstacles, including having to persuade a public enquiry of the case for expansion.
And if planning inspectors approve the scheme, the government will still have the final say.
Ministers have been advised by their Climate Change Committee that, in order to keep emissions down, Heathrow should only expand if regional airports contract.
This will pose a problem for a government that’s committed to improving infrastructure away from the South-East.
And a full application from Heathrow Airport may still be more than a year away as the airport re-assembles a planning team and strives to cope with Covid.
Still, with Covid and everything I struggle to see the need for a runway 3 in the meantime... or a willingness from the airlines to pay for the pharaonic project HAL had come up with.
Jul 17, 2023, 2:02 am
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Old thread but interesting article today about benefits, or not, of airport expansion.
I agree with the sentiment...if every industry was accurate about how much they contribute to the economy GDP would be 5x bigger than what it currently is but it also mentions:
a) low wages in aviation industry which are continuing to decline
b) most travellers are tourists with declining spend(and tourism industry is also low wages)
c) externalities - larger costs to society from the industry i.e. increased air and noise pollution (does the economic benefits offset these long term costs?)
Obviously creating jobs where there is no net economic benefit over the long term is a false economy, be interesting to see if the thinking outlined in this article gets legs - probably not given the varied interests who would benefit from airport expansion!
Airport expansion does not boost UK growth or productivity – report | Air transport | The Guardian
I agree with the sentiment...if every industry was accurate about how much they contribute to the economy GDP would be 5x bigger than what it currently is but it also mentions:
a) low wages in aviation industry which are continuing to decline
b) most travellers are tourists with declining spend(and tourism industry is also low wages)
c) externalities - larger costs to society from the industry i.e. increased air and noise pollution (does the economic benefits offset these long term costs?)
Obviously creating jobs where there is no net economic benefit over the long term is a false economy, be interesting to see if the thinking outlined in this article gets legs - probably not given the varied interests who would benefit from airport expansion!
Airport expansion does not boost UK growth or productivity – report | Air transport | The Guardian
Jul 17, 2023, 2:41 am
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It’s not necessarily the expansion that is the issue it’s the stuff that goes with it - so for example High Speed rail - only works if it is significant.y cheaper than road travel. Toll roads in France, keep the the heavy traffic off the motorways, so end up with more pollution in towns etc. unless there is a clear and INTEGRATED policy, then unbridled capitalism only works in favour of profit at the expense of everything else. The third runway should come with measures like, no flights allowed between cities served by HS2 etc.
Jul 17, 2023, 2:59 am
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Old thread but interesting article today about benefits, or not, of airport expansion.
I agree with the sentiment...if every industry was accurate about how much they contribute to the economy GDP would be 5x bigger than what it currently is but it also mentions:
a) low wages in aviation industry which are continuing to decline
b) most travellers are tourists with declining spend(and tourism industry is also low wages)
c) externalities - larger costs to society from the industry i.e. increased air and noise pollution (does the economic benefits offset these long term costs?)
Obviously creating jobs where there is no net economic benefit over the long term is a false economy, be interesting to see if the thinking outlined in this article gets legs - probably not given the varied interests who would benefit from airport expansion!
Airport expansion does not boost UK growth or productivity – report | Air transport | The Guardian
I agree with the sentiment...if every industry was accurate about how much they contribute to the economy GDP would be 5x bigger than what it currently is but it also mentions:
a) low wages in aviation industry which are continuing to decline
b) most travellers are tourists with declining spend(and tourism industry is also low wages)
c) externalities - larger costs to society from the industry i.e. increased air and noise pollution (does the economic benefits offset these long term costs?)
Obviously creating jobs where there is no net economic benefit over the long term is a false economy, be interesting to see if the thinking outlined in this article gets legs - probably not given the varied interests who would benefit from airport expansion!
Airport expansion does not boost UK growth or productivity – report | Air transport | The Guardian
