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Old Jun 18, 19, 9:03 am
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How can it take 31 years to build a new terminal and a few carparks?
It's not just 1 terminal. It's the whole re-work of the existing T1/T2/T3 into the toast rack scheme by the look of it.

Still, 31 years to get that done...
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Old Jun 18, 19, 9:10 am
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How can it take 31 years to build a new terminal and a few carparks?

There's a lot of things that China can't do better, but building airports is surely something they could teach us a lot about: China to build 216 new airports by 2035
It's amazing isn't it. HKG was built in the middle of the sea in 7 years.

I wonder how much of it is actual construction and how much is time spent lining everyone's pockets and hand wringing.
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Old Jun 18, 19, 9:13 am
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31 years. Because it’s being done in phases as not every new terminal or car park etc is needed from the get go
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Old Jun 18, 19, 9:17 am
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Originally Posted by Deltus View Post
How can it take 31 years to build a new terminal and a few carparks?

There's a lot of things that China can't do better, but building airports is surely something they could teach us a lot about: China to build 216 new airports by 2035
Itís amazing what you can achieve when you donít have to worry about democracy....
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Old Jun 18, 19, 9:18 am
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Interesting page about the final terminal and apron layout. As I understand it, the final terminal selection (excluding satellites) will be: T2, T4, T5, T5X. I really hope they don't rename them, just to confuse the tourists...
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Old Jun 18, 19, 9:18 am
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Seriously though, LHR has been a major London and world airport for decades. Who in their right mind buys a house near an airport and expect it to be quiet or that it won't want to expand and grow.
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Old Jun 18, 19, 9:22 am
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Originally Posted by Deltus View Post
How can it take 31 years to build a new terminal and a few carparks?
And how can it take 30 years to get to this point? This entire expansion plan started the discussion, debate, politics in 1990.

It really does put our current governance to shame in getting things done, especially as we built some of the worlds best infrastructure projects over the past few centuries, prior to 1990. Very sad that we havenít done more in this time frame.

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Old Jun 18, 19, 10:45 am
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Planning Application objections, subsequent legal battles, and a combination of 8 rare newts and a wild orchid should stop it completely.

You heard it here first!

China has a simpler scenario. ďStuff youĒ.
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Old Jun 18, 19, 11:05 am
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How can it take 31 years to build a new terminal and a few carparks?
29 years of legal wrangling, 2 years of construction.
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Old Jun 18, 19, 11:06 am
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Seriously though, LHR has been a major London and world airport for decades. Who in their right mind buys a house near an airport and expect it to be quiet or that it won't want to expand and grow.
These are the same people who buy a house near a school to get kids in it, then complain about traffic at 1530.

Originally Posted by Deltus
Interesting page about the final terminal and apron layout. As I understand it, the final terminal selection (excluding satellites) will be: T2, T4, T5, T5X
It looks as they'll be 3 real terminals as far a passengers are concerned. One for each alliance?
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.....8 rare newts...
Probably more than that, if the greens have already got things organised from their immediate circle of friends.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/great-cr...s-and-licences
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Old Jun 18, 19, 1:32 pm
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One cannot compare constructing a brand new airport on a greenfield site to expanding somewhere like LHR.

If LHR itself, the M4, and the M25 all were to close and be dedicated to construction traffic only, it would all be completed far more promptly.

The tricky thing is often maintaining operations at a site while at the same time building and expanding the same.

Witness the relative ease of building T5 to the complexities of T2.
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Old Jun 19, 19, 11:59 am
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Originally Posted by DYKWIA View Post
It's not just 1 terminal. It's the whole re-work of the existing T1/T2/T3 into the toast rack scheme by the look of it.

Still, 31 years to get that done...
Probably will still get finished before BER.
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Old Jun 19, 19, 12:19 pm
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The website mentions the expansion of T5B and T5C to the north and south and a reconfiguration of space in T5A to increase capacity. However this isnít mentioned in the consultation document itself or in the timeline.

Iím speculating that this involves building out B&C to the extent originally envisaged and finding reconfiguring office space BA have vacated in T5A, as has mentioned in other threads. Maybe the unused lounge space in T5C might even be put into use?

What is clear from the timeline is that the airport wants flight numbers to grow before the third runway opens and that serious terminal capacity wonít follow until after the the runway opens. So in the medium term pressure on all the current terminals will increased with this plan.

I think it is a shame that the transit (presumably airside) between all the terminals except T4 that was floated in previous plans has been dropped. So even if T5/T5X/T5XN becomes a hub for one alliance a transfer from say T5C to T5XN will remain fiddly and probably involve buses.
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Old Jun 19, 19, 12:31 pm
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Inter-T5 transfers

I wonder whether some form of surface tramway/people pods system might actually be workable? I know there are tons of baggage carts and other service vehicles already charging around the piers, but could it not be possible to integrate a relatively cheap surface pax transport system within that? Certainly easier/cheaper than digging more tunnels, for sure.
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