Is BA's A320 the worst business class seat in the sky?
May 31, 2018, 1:18 am
#16
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The front 7 rows of the KLM 737 has 3 inches of extra pitch. It is the same seat throughout, middle seat blocked. I am not sure if KLM move the curtain to the same extend as BA, LH and others. if they do then you could be an Economy customer who gets lucky or a business class customer who gets unlucky
May 31, 2018, 1:25 am
#17
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Try OS (Austrian). They were leaders in the introduction of super economy seats in J. I stopped flying with them. Others at the time were better but not now although some airlines have not installed the very thin hard seat. Only fly European J if cheaper than Y or Y not available.
May 31, 2018, 1:31 am
#18
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And didn't have to read past this to know what this would be about.
As everyone else has already said, this is the intra-Europe standard. BA is just one of many who do this.
I am quite surprised that this is the first exposure to intra-Europe business class for someone who's been a FTer since 2002.
As everyone else has already said, this is the intra-Europe standard. BA is just one of many who do this.
I am quite surprised that this is the first exposure to intra-Europe business class for someone who's been a FTer since 2002.
May 31, 2018, 1:34 am
#19
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The front 7 rows of the KLM 737 has 3 inches of extra pitch. It is the same seat throughout, middle seat blocked. I am not sure if KLM move the curtain to the same extend as BA, LH and others. if they do then you could be an Economy customer who gets lucky or a business class customer who gets unlucky
May 31, 2018, 1:38 am
#20
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According to the seat map, behind "Europe business" is "Economy comfort" which also has extra pitch. That gives them a few rows to move the curtain, if Europe Business is particularly popular on a flight. It isn't much, but it was definitely welcome compared to the 30-31" of BA's Club Europe.
May 31, 2018, 2:00 am
#21
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Probably just me – but I really like the A320 series CE seats…
Having short legs means I don't care much about leg room and being a bit wider than average effectively makes the value of the empty middle seat much greater. And I much prefer not being in front row because of the slightly narrower experience of the seat due to the tray tables in the armrests. And I really love the middle seat table and am sorry to hear about it not being there on the neos.
I do however find it rather bothersome if the person behind me has very long legs and is thus forced to have their knees in the back of my seat or if the person in front reclines. But fortunately most people see the sense in not reclining on a short hop.
Having short legs means I don't care much about leg room and being a bit wider than average effectively makes the value of the empty middle seat much greater. And I much prefer not being in front row because of the slightly narrower experience of the seat due to the tray tables in the armrests. And I really love the middle seat table and am sorry to hear about it not being there on the neos.
I do however find it rather bothersome if the person behind me has very long legs and is thus forced to have their knees in the back of my seat or if the person in front reclines. But fortunately most people see the sense in not reclining on a short hop.
May 31, 2018, 2:06 am
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I've flying Business class to Greece from the US and I was astonished to see that one of the flights is an A320 in which every seats in the plane appear to have the exact same width and pitch with the only difference for "Club Europe" being that the middle seat is blocked out.
Am I missing something or is this the worst business class seat in the sky?
Am I missing something or is this the worst business class seat in the sky?
(There is a very small chance that you could strike lucky and get a mid-haul A321 with proper business class seats but you certainly shouldn’t expect that.)
May 31, 2018, 3:35 am
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But either way, I doubt there’s much of a marketing campaign to be built on the strapline of
Fly British Airways ..... far better than Air Serbia
May 31, 2018, 3:46 am
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May 31, 2018, 3:53 am
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I just had a transatlantic F which some humourist had forced to be combined with domestic ET so that the website note said "There is no First Class on this flight so we have booked you into the nearest equivalent". On reflection I decided that this made sense as I could then get an exit row. Unfortunately I chose row 10 on a 319 and they subbed a 320, however I still had an empty seat next to me so the seat was no worse than CE.
May 31, 2018, 4:02 am
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As far as the seat is concerned, Calum has his opinion, I have mine. I love the middle sest being unsold and not having to put up with people encroaching on my space with their sheer corpulance. Oh, and as for the meal, youll get one of those and they’re not at all bad these days. This is Europe and not the USA, the majoritymof people have paid one way or another to be there and are not fighting for upgrades at the gate.
May 31, 2018, 4:20 am
#28
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...and which, still, is often way more more expensive than other carriers and doesn't even grant lounge access (and fast track) at non-hub airports (on top of the middle seat and the cube you get served as 'meal'). In short, 250 GBP from Birmingham to Copenhagen will not give you lounge access and I'm not even sure about fast track (with status for sure but I'm not sure if that applies to Plus).
The front 7 rows of the KLM 737 has 3 inches of extra pitch. It is the same seat throughout, middle seat blocked. I am not sure if KLM move the curtain to the same extend as BA, LH and others. if they do then you could be an Economy customer who gets lucky or a business class customer who gets unlucky
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May 31, 2018, 4:29 am
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...and which, still, is often way more more expensive than other carriers and doesn't even grant lounge access (and fast track) at non-hub airports (on top of the middle seat and the cube you get served as 'meal'). In short, 250 GBP from Birmingham to Copenhagen will not give you lounge access and I'm not even sure about fast track (with status for sure but I'm not sure if that applies to Plus).
...and which, still, is often way more more expensive than other carriers and doesn't even grant lounge access (and fast track) at non-hub airports (on top of the middle seat and the cube you get served as 'meal'). In short, 250 GBP from Birmingham to Copenhagen will not give you lounge access and I'm not even sure about fast track (with status for sure but I'm not sure if that applies to Plus).
But the key is, that it falls within many companies' travel policies by being "premium economy" - have to give SAS credit for being smart on that one........
May 31, 2018, 4:33 am
#30
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Try OS (Austrian). They were leaders in the introduction of super economy seats in J. I stopped flying with them. Others at the time were better but not now although some airlines have not installed the very thin hard seat. Only fly European J if cheaper than Y or Y not available.
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