Do all Ba 787's have this RR engine issue?
May 10, 2018, 10:34 am
#16
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All ADs on this matter have been applied only to Package C so far.
May 11, 2018, 1:07 am
#17
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There is more than 1 Airworthiness Directive (AD) for the Trent 1000 at this time.
If we are looking at the AD - Engine Intermediate Pressure Compressor Blades / Shaft – Inspection (2018-0084R1 Dated 19 April 2018 ) then the following are affected;
Trent 1000-A2, Trent 1000-AE2, Trent 1000-C2, Trent 1000-CE2, Trent 1000-D2, Trent 1000-E2, Trent 1000-G2, Trent 1000-H2, Trent 1000-J2, Trent 1000-K2 and Trent 1000-L2 engines, all serial numbers.
From what I can gather this affects all but one 787-8 (G-ZBKR) and 1 787-9 (G-ZBJI)
https://ad.easa.europa.eu/ad/2018-0084R1 refers
If we are looking at the AD - Engine Intermediate Pressure Compressor Blades / Shaft – Inspection (2018-0084R1 Dated 19 April 2018 ) then the following are affected;
Trent 1000-A2, Trent 1000-AE2, Trent 1000-C2, Trent 1000-CE2, Trent 1000-D2, Trent 1000-E2, Trent 1000-G2, Trent 1000-H2, Trent 1000-J2, Trent 1000-K2 and Trent 1000-L2 engines, all serial numbers.
From what I can gather this affects all but one 787-8 (G-ZBKR) and 1 787-9 (G-ZBJI)
https://ad.easa.europa.eu/ad/2018-0084R1 refers
May 11, 2018, 1:15 am
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Thanks for info, but G-ZBJI is listed as a 788 https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/g-zbji
May 11, 2018, 1:31 am
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BA has 17 787-900s in the fleet and 9 787-800s in the fleet.
May 11, 2018, 1:41 am
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May 15, 2018, 11:49 pm
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The directive says:
"By limiting ETOPS range, the directive effectively forces the affected aircraft to fly within a 60-minute diversion range from a suitable airport."
This obviously affects transatlantic routes but will it also affect remote destinations too? There will be BA flights landing at airports more than 60 mins from another international airport.
"By limiting ETOPS range, the directive effectively forces the affected aircraft to fly within a 60-minute diversion range from a suitable airport."
This obviously affects transatlantic routes but will it also affect remote destinations too? There will be BA flights landing at airports more than 60 mins from another international airport.
May 16, 2018, 1:52 am
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The directive says:
"By limiting ETOPS range, the directive effectively forces the affected aircraft to fly within a 60-minute diversion range from a suitable airport."
This obviously affects transatlantic routes but will it also affect remote destinations too? There will be BA flights landing at airports more than 60 mins from another international airport.
"By limiting ETOPS range, the directive effectively forces the affected aircraft to fly within a 60-minute diversion range from a suitable airport."
This obviously affects transatlantic routes but will it also affect remote destinations too? There will be BA flights landing at airports more than 60 mins from another international airport.
May 16, 2018, 2:47 am
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The directive says:
"By limiting ETOPS range, the directive effectively forces the affected aircraft to fly within a 60-minute diversion range from a suitable airport."
This obviously affects transatlantic routes but will it also affect remote destinations too? There will be BA flights landing at airports more than 60 mins from another international airport.
"By limiting ETOPS range, the directive effectively forces the affected aircraft to fly within a 60-minute diversion range from a suitable airport."
This obviously affects transatlantic routes but will it also affect remote destinations too? There will be BA flights landing at airports more than 60 mins from another international airport.
May 16, 2018, 3:02 am
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I believe FlyerGill's quote came from here: https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...ent-1000-etops
May 16, 2018, 3:26 am
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I believe FlyerGill's quote came from here: https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...ent-1000-etops
Going to 60 minutes would be removing ETOPS altogether from all affected 787s, standard non-ETOPS aircraft operate to the 60 minute limit. I am not sure this May AD does get rid of ETOPS for all affected 787s, just imposes some more limit regarding weight for them, ETOPS 140 still seems possible based on the AD. Would be great to have a view on it from someone more knowledgeable.
This is the original March directive http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgad.nsf/0/22de72bba2cd5b24862582720049094e/$FILE/2018-08-03.pdf
May 16, 2018, 10:38 am
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have you got a link? i thought ETOPS have been reduced from the affected 787s, not removed completely? 60 minutes is the standard for non-ETOPS certified aircraft/crew and would be a massive problem for a normal TATL crossing to the east coast which doesn't seem to be the case. looking at a few news sources it seems ETOPS for the 787 has been reduced from 330 to 140 mins.
Going to 60 minutes would be removing ETOPS altogether from all affected 787s, standard non-ETOPS aircraft operate to the 60 minute limit. I am not sure this May AD does get rid of ETOPS for all affected 787s, just imposes some more limit regarding weight for them, ETOPS 140 still seems possible based on the AD. Would be great to have a view on it from someone more knowledgeable.
rapidex was able to shed some more light here: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...l#post29737478, although I don't myself know whether any 787s (let alone any BA 787s) have actually gone into this non-ETOPS state.
May 16, 2018, 12:56 pm
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I got confused when posting on this thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...l#post29737370
rapidex was able to shed some more light here: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...l#post29737478, although I don't myself know whether any 787s (let alone any BA 787s) have actually gone into this non-ETOPS state.
rapidex was able to shed some more light here: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...l#post29737478, although I don't myself know whether any 787s (let alone any BA 787s) have actually gone into this non-ETOPS state.
also have been given some further information which says that there may be some 60 minute 787s around the world if not inspected, but they are mostly 140 or if fixed/new deliveries 180. I think the article linked to above may give the incorrect impression all affected 787s are now down to 60 minutes which would really be a massive problem, however it isn’t the case.
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May 16, 2018, 3:40 pm
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Trent 1000-A2, Trent 1000-AE2, Trent 1000-C2, Trent 1000-CE2, Trent 1000-D2, Trent 1000-E2, Trent 1000-G2, Trent 1000-H2, Trent 1000-J2, Trent 1000-K2 and Trent 1000-L2 engines, all serial numbers.
From what I can gather this affects all but one 787-8 (G-ZBKR) and 1 787-9 (G-ZBJI)
From what I can gather this affects all but one 787-8 (G-ZBKR) and 1 787-9 (G-ZBJI)
*Affected
G-ZBJA Trent 1000-A/01
G-ZBJB Trent 1000-A/01
G-ZBJC Trent 1000-A/01A
G-ZBJD Trent 1000-A/01
G-ZBJE Trent 1000-A/01
G-ZBJF Trent 1000-A/01
G-ZBJG Trent 1000-A/01
G-ZBJH Trent 1000-A/01
*G-ZBJI Trent 1000-A2
*G-ZBKA Trent 1000-J2
*G-ZBKB Trent 1000-J2
*G-ZBKC Trent 1000-J2
*G-ZBKD Trent 1000-J2
*G-ZBKE Trent 1000-J2
*G-ZBKF Trent 1000-J2
*G-ZBKG Trent 1000-J2
*G-ZBKH Trent 1000-J2/J3
*G-ZBKI Trent 1000-J2
*G-ZBKJ Trent 1000-J2
*G-ZBKK Trent 1000-J2
*G-ZBKL Trent 1000-J2
*G-ZBKM Trent 1000-J2
*G-ZBKN Trent 1000-J2
*G-ZBKO Trent 1000-J2
*G-ZBKP Trent 1000-J2
G-ZBKR Trent 1000-J3 Ten
Jun 11, 2018, 2:35 am
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So just to increase the misery slightly. RR now saying that the Package B engine has possible issues as well (though at much higher hours) and the 1000-TEN may not be immune (though no sign of any issues there yet). As such there will be an initial one off inspection for the Package B engine shortly. Obviously depending on what is found that could lead to further disruption.
Edit to ADD: "Package B" engines can be identified by the /01 at the end of the serial number so this basically means the rest of the BA fleet on the list above, apart from the TEN equipped G-ZBKR , will have a one-off inspection.
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Edit to ADD: "Package B" engines can be identified by the /01 at the end of the serial number so this basically means the rest of the BA fleet on the list above, apart from the TEN equipped G-ZBKR , will have a one-off inspection.
Flight Global
Last edited by tinkicker; Jun 11, 2018 at 2:45 am