Limiting BA First redemptions for BA GOLD+
May 8, 2018, 5:04 pm
#78
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May 8, 2018, 5:15 pm
#81
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I have to say putting the topic aside, it's been an interesting thread. It's good to see folks aren't taking the mickey taking of each other too seriously whichever side of the fence your on.
Some really good banter in here as well as reading peoples views without people falling out with each other! Quite refreshing actually.
Thank you nufnuf77!
May 8, 2018, 5:15 pm
#82
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Don't worry you will soon be able to trade up to Gold for six pot noodles, three bags of crisps and a rented BMW to take them home. Join the Elite for £56.50 !
May 8, 2018, 5:20 pm
#83
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I have to say putting the topic aside, it's been an interesting thread. It's good to see folks aren't taking the mickey taking of each other too seriously whichever side of the fence your on.
Some really good banter in here as well as reading peoples views without people falling out with each other! Quite refreshing actually.
Thank you nufnuf77!
But in the interest of public knowledge, I think a poll would help
a. Go back and sleep in a cabana nufnuf
b. Gold+ for F
c. "V" class for Gold in F
d. Silver+ for F
e. Tesco F for all (leave it alone
)
May 8, 2018, 5:22 pm
#84
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Personally think it's a poor idea, F leisure fliers of 2-3 few times a year (like me) would then find Avios completely pointless. I'd much rather see it as revenue only if any changes have to be made at all.
May 8, 2018, 8:04 pm
#85
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I've long believed that all FFPs should be rejigged so that those who earn most/all of their points from flying F should easily be able
to redeem for F rewards, those who earn most/all of their points from flying J/C/D should easily be able to redeem for business class,
and those who earn their points from flying Y and/or credit cards should have a difficult time for redeeming above Y class.
Not sure how to implement this - if any of you are bridge players and know about the ACBL awarding gold/red/black points - that
might be one way to go.
to redeem for F rewards, those who earn most/all of their points from flying J/C/D should easily be able to redeem for business class,
and those who earn their points from flying Y and/or credit cards should have a difficult time for redeeming above Y class.
Not sure how to implement this - if any of you are bridge players and know about the ACBL awarding gold/red/black points - that
might be one way to go.
May 8, 2018, 10:15 pm
#86
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If BA had a better J product that wasn't so inferior to it's F offering (and to many of its competitors) it wouldn't greatly bother me if they limited redemptions in this or a similar way. If that gap was narrowed F redemptions would become much less attractive.
May 8, 2018, 11:10 pm
#87
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The current system seems to be working well for BA, and their focus seems to be on introducing dynamic pricing, rather than limiting F availability for the great unwashed. If anything I would guess their thinking is the other way round: Introduce their premium product to people not yet exposed to it and wet some appetite for it - may generate further revenue in the future.
May 8, 2018, 11:15 pm
#88
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I'd like to tweak this suggestion slightly. How about this benefit be assigned by passenger profitability?
For instance, a Blue member who buys spends say £800 on a peak season Y ticket to MCO would perhaps be more profitable to BA than a GGL who spends £4K on 3 ex-CAI HNL convoluted itineraries in J, squeezing each last TP until its pips squeak whilst free pouring JW Blue and LPGS all the way
For instance, a Blue member who buys spends say £800 on a peak season Y ticket to MCO would perhaps be more profitable to BA than a GGL who spends £4K on 3 ex-CAI HNL convoluted itineraries in J, squeezing each last TP until its pips squeak whilst free pouring JW Blue and LPGS all the way
Full Y is horrifically expensive, yet earning rate is horribly poor compared to silly-priced convoluted itinerary in J which probably earns x10 as much (this is not an attempt to increase my TPs, as I don't even fly Y at all, but I honestly think they are probably the most profitable but worst-treated and I'd like to change that).
Airlines might start properly 'valuing' loyalty when the status is done on monetary value, given they're all run by "heartless" accountants. The best way to show loyalty to any accountant-run organisation is to show them the money
Setting the minimum Gold level at £10,000 pa for instance (maybe even a bit more) would be quite sensible IMO, and easily reached on full Y.
May 9, 2018, 1:13 am
#89
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Personally, I think all frequent flyer schemes should go predominantly revenue-based, and requirements to fly on the scheme's carrier increased substantially, from my personal point of view.
Full Y is horrifically expensive, yet earning rate is horribly poor compared to silly-priced convoluted itinerary in J which probably earns x10 as much (this is not an attempt to increase my TPs, as I don't even fly Y at all, but I honestly think they are probably the most profitable but worst-treated and I'd like to change that).
Airlines might start properly 'valuing' loyalty when the status is done on monetary value, given they're all run by "heartless" accountants. The best way to show loyalty to any accountant-run organisation is to show them the money
Setting the minimum Gold level at £10,000 pa for instance (maybe even a bit more) would be quite sensible IMO, and easily reached on full Y.
Full Y is horrifically expensive, yet earning rate is horribly poor compared to silly-priced convoluted itinerary in J which probably earns x10 as much (this is not an attempt to increase my TPs, as I don't even fly Y at all, but I honestly think they are probably the most profitable but worst-treated and I'd like to change that).
Airlines might start properly 'valuing' loyalty when the status is done on monetary value, given they're all run by "heartless" accountants. The best way to show loyalty to any accountant-run organisation is to show them the money
Setting the minimum Gold level at £10,000 pa for instance (maybe even a bit more) would be quite sensible IMO, and easily reached on full Y.
May 9, 2018, 1:50 am
#90
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Full Y is horrifically expensive, yet earning rate is horribly poor compared to silly-priced convoluted itinerary in J which probably earns x10 as much (this is not an attempt to increase my TPs, as I don't even fly Y at all, but I honestly think they are probably the most profitable but worst-treated and I'd like to change that).
I believe Lufthansa are giving the same number of status points for full fare Y as a discount J, and full fare J is then double(?) the points of discount J. At the same time I hope BA will never adopt the LH approach - it is hideously complicated...