Do BA oversell First?
Jun 28, 2019, 10:59 am
#31
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Might have a single J cabin, but it's in the nature of the route to have people change flights last minute. There are also many other flights to London. That said, JFK does look very, very busy tonight!
Jun 28, 2019, 11:31 am
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That's an understatement! On the 12 BA operated and marketed flights still to fly from NYC to LON tonight availability is limited to 1 x full fare F seat on BA 1511 (AA service). UA/VS/DL similar. What's the big scramble apart from it being a friday night?
Jun 28, 2019, 11:36 am
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Hi,
Maybe with Wimbledon starting on Monday, lots of people coming over in advance/start of school holidays?
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Jun 28, 2019, 12:19 pm
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There is a particular feature on this service from T7. There is rarely such a thing as a quiet Friday night there at the best of times, but the seating algorithm also looks into other LON flights around the same time, given the sheer number of services in a short time. So anyone travelling WTP who checks in a couple of hours early may be offered a seat to LCY instead. Since it's a bit of niche service this comes as a pleasant surprise to them, perhaps a little less so for those hoping for a decent kip.....
Jun 28, 2019, 12:26 pm
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If there is an issue with the BA2 then they will switch pax to one of the several JFK-LHR or the LFK-LGW flights
There are several reasons why people can't do OLCI - there is a dedicated thread in the dashboard with the most common reasons.
There are several reasons why people can't do OLCI - there is a dedicated thread in the dashboard with the most common reasons.
Jun 28, 2019, 4:51 pm
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I can't understand how it is acceptable to sell something that doesn"t exist.
In any other industry this is fraud and hopefully one day when someone important enough gets bumped this disgraceful practice will be outlawed.
In any other industry this is fraud and hopefully one day when someone important enough gets bumped this disgraceful practice will be outlawed.
Jun 28, 2019, 8:00 pm
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You can buy a house or a flat before it's built or before it's completed.
Or spec up a car that then needs to be put together by the factory for you.
And until either is actually delivered, you can't take them for certain.
I'm not defending overbooking and, if you're affected by it, it can be a miserable experience.
But it really isn't that black and white. At all.
Or spec up a car that then needs to be put together by the factory for you.
And until either is actually delivered, you can't take them for certain.
I'm not defending overbooking and, if you're affected by it, it can be a miserable experience.
But it really isn't that black and white. At all.
Jun 28, 2019, 9:30 pm
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In the airline example, you book a ticket and pay in full and then the airline can then not deliver what you have paid for. If airlines worked like cars, you'd pay at your seat, just like BoB. If you don't board, you don't pay. We all know airlines want their cake and to eat it too.
Jun 29, 2019, 1:25 am
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I don't agree with this. "No shows" on some routes are 50% (West Africa), on this route it can be 20%. If it was outlawed fares would rise by around that proportion, and would lead - in this environmental conscious age - to avoidable empty seats on gas guzzling machines. That's not a great outcome and is something only rich travellers have the luxury to impose on those who are less well off, those who can only just afford to fly.
Jun 29, 2019, 2:53 am
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In both those cases you put down a minimal deposit and pay the balance only when the house or car is delivered. The last car I factory ordered, the deposit was around 1% of the value of the vehicle, I paid the other 99% after it was delivered and I had looked it over to make sure it was what I had actually ordered. My Father was caught once, he ordered a V8, car arrived with a 6 cylinder. He refused to pay and they ordered another car for him.
In the airline example, you book a ticket and pay in full and then the airline can then not deliver what you have paid for. If airlines worked like cars, you'd pay at your seat, just like BoB. If you don't board, you don't pay. We all know airlines want their cake and to eat it too.
In the airline example, you book a ticket and pay in full and then the airline can then not deliver what you have paid for. If airlines worked like cars, you'd pay at your seat, just like BoB. If you don't board, you don't pay. We all know airlines want their cake and to eat it too.
BA’s contract with you is for the supply of services, not the supply of goods. They have a contract to move you between A and B. How they do so is, within the terms of their conditions of carriage, largely up to them.
Jun 29, 2019, 7:09 am
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I don't agree with this. "No shows" on some routes are 50% (West Africa), on this route it can be 20%. If it was outlawed fares would rise by around that proportion, and would lead - in this environmental conscious age - to avoidable empty seats on gas guzzling machines. That's not a great outcome and is something only rich travellers have the luxury to impose on those who are less well off, those who can only just afford to fly.
I'd prefer to pay the correct price for something and get it rather than a cheaper price with a risk of it not being there at all.
If this empties out planes then fly fewer planes - which will help the environment far better than deliberately keeping more planes in the air based on a (hopefully in the future) fraudulent practice.
