Mid-J 747 Cabin Refresh

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Mid-J 747 Refurbishments

BA announced early April 2018 that they had started a program to refurbish the cabins on its 16 Mid-J 747ís.

As part of the refurbishment ALL 16 aircraft will undergo BASIC refresh which consist of:

* Full aircraft deep clean
* Seats in WT/WTP will be refurbished with new seat foams and cushions as on Super Hi-J aircraft.

9 of the aircraft will receive a ENHANCED refurbishment to bring the cabin up to the exact same standard as on the Super Hi-J. This will consist of what is listed above plus:

* New Carpets fitted throughout
* All Curtains replaced
* LED mood lighting fitted
* New Panasonic IFE fitted

Note: There are currently no plans to install WIFI to any Mid-J configured 747 aircraft

Refurbishment Progress

Note: Aircraft that have undergone or that are to receive a ENHANCED refurbishment are shown in red

Refurbished Aircraft - Aircraft are listed in order that they have been refurbished and show return to service date

G-CIVM - 03 April 2018
G-CIVN - 22 April 2018
G-CIVD - 28 June 2018
G-CIVO - 14 October 2018
G-CIVK - 04 November 2018
G-CIVT - 11 November 2018
G-CIVA - 14 January 2019
G-CIVJ - 28 January 2019

Aircraft Currently Undergoing Refurbishment

G-CIVC - Arrived CWL 08 January 2019. Expected to return to service mid February 2019
G-CIVE - Arrived CWL 27 January 2019. Expected to return to service 12 March 2019

Future Planned Refurbishments - Aircraft in listed in date order based on when refurbishment is planned to be completed (date subject to change)

G-CIVP - 04 April 2019
G-CIVL - 17 April 2019
G-CIVU - September 2019
G-BNLY - October 2019
G-CIVB - December 2019

G-BNLN is the only 747 currently in service that will not receive any cabin refurbishment. This is due to it being planned to be retired in July 2019.
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Old Apr 6, 18, 12:36 pm
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Originally Posted by Flexible preferences View Post
And why would they have two types of IFE on the same aircraft?
This is what also surprises me. I can't understand how it would be technically sensible to have two parallel IFE systems on board one aircraft. Yet the BA Source was specific that the new IFE had been fitted to G-CIVM, and it would make sense that she should be one of the 9 as she is one of the youngest mid-Js.
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Old Apr 6, 18, 1:52 pm
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Originally Posted by mjh0 View Post
As a regular inmate of the LHR-PHX route, I tend to agree.

Me too ; hope it is the PHX flight! On another note, as the 747's are retired what will be the replacement?
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I don't understand it either, in that I can't see how they could easily maintain two IFE systems on the same aircraft. As far as I know it's never happened before, so I presume CIVM hasn't had (yet?) the Panasonic system installed.
I agree that having the two separate systems would be downright odd - I'd assume you need two-different banks of controllers and servers, and two different networks on the aircraft to support the different gear.

There will likely be a significant weight saving from converting to Panasonic throughout too. Lighter weight monitors and in-seat hardware, and the servers/controllers will be lighter too - no spinning disks on the Panasonic gear, it's all SSD.
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The BA Source is seeking confirmation on this, currently saying:-
British Airways B747-400 G-CIVM Returns from Cardiff Maintenance.

... we have had reports both that the aircraft has been fitted with Panasonic IFE and that it hasnít and are awaiting confirmation.
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Old Apr 7, 18, 5:56 am
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The BA Source is seeking confirmation on this, currently saying:-
From an FT perspective:

- we know for sure (if you believe @jk156, which I do) that it hasn't got the upgraded IFE in CW
- we have no reports from anyone having flown it in Y/W

As such the assumption must be that it hasn't had the IFE upgrade at all.
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Old Apr 7, 18, 6:05 am
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Originally Posted by Ldnn1 View Post
From an FT perspective:

- we know for sure (if you believe @jk156, which I do) that it hasn't got the upgraded IFE in CW
- we have no reports from anyone having flown it in Y/W

As such the assumption must be that it hasn't had the IFE upgrade at all.
Absolutely. What was notable was that the BA Source (which we always presume to be accurate) also thinks that its earlier information may have been wrong, and has said so. In addition, they may get further information as well - as indeed we might too from our contributors.
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Old Apr 7, 18, 6:23 am
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Originally Posted by Ldnn1 View Post
From an FT perspective:

- we know for sure (if you believe @jk156, which I do) that it hasn't got the upgraded IFE in CW
- we have no reports from anyone having flown it in Y/W

As such the assumption must be that it hasn't had the IFE upgrade at all.
As stated in the press release, 9 of the 16 will get the Panasonic system.
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Old Apr 7, 18, 7:52 am
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Originally Posted by andset1191 View Post


As stated in the press release, 9 of the 16 will get the Panasonic system.
But the IFE question aside - it's still not true to say that this refurb is to the same standard as the Super-hi J planes.

They may have had a deep clean and it's possible that CW seat covers are new, but otherwise the CW cabin still looks far more tired than those 744s that have been fully spruced up. The lighting has not been updated and the rest of the seat 'hardware' was tatty in places where I was sat. Having flown out to SFO on a super-hi J (CIVW) just a few days before experiencing the 'refurbished' CIVM, there is still a pronounced gulf between the two finishes.
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Me too ; hope it is the PHX flight! On another note, as the 747's are retired what will be the replacement?
I keep hoping BA will order some 747-8 but I know the chances are near zero sadly. Given how poor the A380 is with cargo that's not an option (and PHX really would need major changes to support an A380).

My understanding is that it would likely be the A350-1000, though it's not clear what BA will do if they intend to continue with a second flight and it is a reduction in seat capacity. Maybe a 788/789 for a second flight? I'm guessing PHX will be one of the last 747 52J routes given the hot climate and moderately higher altitude compared to other routes.
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I keep hoping BA will order some 747-8 but I know the chances are near zero sadly. Given how poor the A380 is with cargo that's not an option (and PHX really would need major changes to support an A380).

My understanding is that it would likely be the A350-1000, though it's not clear what BA will do if they intend to continue with a second flight and it is a reduction in seat capacity. Maybe a 788/789 for a second flight? I'm guessing PHX will be one of the last 747 52J routes given the hot climate and moderately higher altitude compared to other routes.
I suspect you are right. Unusually for me, I had three return flights to PHX in March--two direct and one via LAX. The hassle of going via LAX was mitigated by the serenity of the 787 (out) and A380 (return). I remember on the last way back to LHR from PHX thinking that the 747 experience has had its day even in J upper-deck which I still enjoy.

PHX seems to be the route receiving the least love.

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Originally Posted by Ldnn1 View Post
From an FT perspective:

- we know for sure (if you believe @jk156, which I do) that it hasn't got the upgraded IFE in CW
- we have no reports from anyone having flown it in Y/W

As such the assumption must be that it hasn't had the IFE upgrade at all.
G-CIVM def still has the Rockwell Collins system, and there have been no changes to the Club cabin. I think it was simply a change of seat covers in Y and Y+, plus a deep clean. No mood lighting.
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Originally Posted by Hoch View Post

PHX seems to be the route receiving the least love.

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It has received the new catering style and new bedding earlier than most routes, it has the second flight a few days per week in the summer, and the lounge did receive a much needed refresh. While nothing amazing, it's received more love lately than many other routes. And of course it has the special OTP fare.
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Me too ; hope it is the PHX flight! On another note, as the 747's are retired what will be the replacement?
Iím flying this route in F in June. Hereís hoping for a revamp sooner rather later....
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G-CIVM def still has the Rockwell Collins system, and there have been no changes to the Club cabin. I think it was simply a change of seat covers in Y and Y+, plus a deep clean. No mood lighting.
Looks like then that this is not one of the 9 which are receiving the Panasonic IFE.
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Any news of refreshed 747's on CPT routes ?

Hi, I'm heading to CPT on 23rd June - wondered if any of the old birds have had a spruce up yet..
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