ATC flow reductions at LHR and LGW for next ten days
Apr 3, 2018, 12:42 am
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ATC flow reductions at LHR and LGW for next ten days
Introduction of EXCDS on Heathrow and Gatwick approach and TMA South...
https://nats.aero/blog/2018/04/prepa...ng-transition/
https://nats.aero/blog/2018/04/prepa...ng-transition/
Apr 3, 2018, 1:59 am
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Introduction of EXCDS on Heathrow and Gatwick approach and TMA South...
https://nats.aero/blog/2018/04/prepa...ng-transition/
https://nats.aero/blog/2018/04/prepa...ng-transition/
Will it mainly affect the busier peak times or throughout the day?
Apr 3, 2018, 5:52 am
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Short term pain but very welcome in the longer term. Amazing it's been paper strips for so long - but I guess this highlights the complexities of changing a wheel whilst the car keeps moving....
Apr 3, 2018, 8:21 am
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Apr 3, 2018, 8:26 am
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Remember that principle of yours KARFA and tell the flight deck when boarding when going into and out of LHR the new priority order is as follows:
1. My plane first
2.Then everyone else's
Back on topic, I really don't understand ATC at all, far too complex for me but technological advances are a good thing in many ways. However, like the pilots, and CC to an extent too, our lives really are in their hands so anything that makes it fitter for the 21st century and safer is a good thing.
Pete
1. My plane first
2.Then everyone else's
Back on topic, I really don't understand ATC at all, far too complex for me but technological advances are a good thing in many ways. However, like the pilots, and CC to an extent too, our lives really are in their hands so anything that makes it fitter for the 21st century and safer is a good thing.
Pete
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Apr 3, 2018, 8:27 am
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Apr 3, 2018, 9:02 am
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Hopefully today's Eurocontrol problems will be isolated to today, and the NATS work can start unimpeded tomorrow. And I think we'd all want to send best wishes to Scott Pilgrim and all of NATS for a smooth transition.
Apr 3, 2018, 9:08 am
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https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27632906-post52.html
EDIT: even more information here http://www.eurocontrol.int/publicati...ns-centre-nmoc
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Apr 3, 2018, 9:27 am
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Some of my former colleagues may hold a slightly different point of view. As electronic systems go EXCDS is rather a dumb one, there likely won't be any really significant benefits for Terminal Control in the electronic environment until the new combined operations room with its all new equipment and systems opens a few years down the road from now, imo...
Apr 3, 2018, 11:53 am
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from the FAQ's: Are any flights likely to be cancelled as a result of the disruption?
We do not anticipate any flights being cancelled as a result of the introduction of EXCDS. However, this would be a decision for individual airlines.
So whose decision was it? Any de-icing planned ?
We do not anticipate any flights being cancelled as a result of the introduction of EXCDS. However, this would be a decision for individual airlines.
So whose decision was it? Any de-icing planned ?
Apr 3, 2018, 12:30 pm
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https://www.nats.aero/excds/ is quite informative but claims
From the sidelines, I have to wonder how they thought that a 20% flow reduction wasn't going to cause some cancellations ! Thanks for the advance warning, Scott Pilgrim.
Does this affect LCY as well?
Are any flights likely to be cancelled as a result of the disruption?
We do not anticipate any flights being cancelled as a result of the introduction of EXCDS. However, this would be a decision for individual airlines
We do not anticipate any flights being cancelled as a result of the introduction of EXCDS. However, this would be a decision for individual airlines
Does this affect LCY as well?
Apr 4, 2018, 12:55 am
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Some of my former colleagues may hold a slightly different point of view. As electronic systems go EXCDS is rather a dumb one, there likely won't be any really significant benefits for Terminal Control in the electronic environment until the new combined operations room with its all new equipment and systems opens a few years down the road from now, imo...