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mjh0 Mar 15, 2018 4:59 am

It seems to me that there's really two "problems" here:

1) The OP was told there was no special meal loaded for them, despite the fact there actually was. There was some sort of failing (oversight, laziness?) on the part of the crew. It is also conceivable that by the time the SPML was discovered as having been available, it may have already been heated and subsequently allowed to cool and was unfit for service.

2) The second problem is that if we assume the veracity of the OP's account, a colleague of the FA that made the original error then attempted to coerce the OP into not complaining, to conceal their dissatisfaction by offering bribes of premium alcohol and premium cabin swag. That, in my opinion is more unforgivable than the original mess up, and is possibly why the OP is as upset as they are.

The CSD/CSM did a reasonable recovery of the whole farce - 10k is without a doubt reasonable - 4k for the failure to provide the SPML, and 6k as an apology for the ham-fisted way their flying colleagues dealt with it.

Can I help you Mar 15, 2018 5:00 am


Originally Posted by lorath (Post 29527188)
For a website dedicated to travel and a forum particularly focused on maximizing BA benefits and otherwise providing guidance on keeping a step ahead of BA, surely the sentence ‘you have been severely over compensated’ does not belong?

You need to know that I can see what they should have been given in compensation and the OP has been overcompensated according to our matrix, I would keep quiet.

Can I help you Mar 15, 2018 5:03 am


Originally Posted by mjh0 (Post 29527246)
It seems to me that there's really two "problems" here:

1) The OP was told there was no special meal loaded for them, despite the fact their actually was. There was some sort of failing (oversight, laziness?) on the part of the crew. It is also conceivable that by the time the SPML was discovered as having been available, it may have already been heated and subsequently allowed to cool and was unfit for service.

2) The second problem is that if we assume the veracity of the OP's account, a colleague of the FA that made the original error then attempted to coerce the OP into not complaining, to conceal their dissatisfaction by offering bribes of premium alcohol and premium cabin swag. That, in my opinion is more unforgivable than the original mess up, and is possibly why the OP is as upset as they are.

The CSD/CSM did a reasonable recovery of the whole farce - 10k is without a doubt reasonable - 4k for the failure to provide the SPML, and 6k as an apology for the ham-fisted way their flying colleagues dealt with it.

I don’t think the SCCM was trying to bribe the OP, we can offer other things as compensation before offering Avios or vouchers, I can see the way OP describes the situation it does.

mjh0 Mar 15, 2018 5:16 am


Originally Posted by Can I help you (Post 29527251)
I don’t think the SCCM was trying to bribe the OP, we can offer other things as compensation before offering Avios or vouchers, I can see the way OP describes the situation it does.

...and maybe that's the crux of it, we still don't know what route this is on, do we? You've travelled the world enough to know that folk in some cultures react very badly if they perceive they are being bribed or silenced, even if that's not the intent.

Also, it doesn't sound as though it was the SCCM trying to offer premium swag, it sounds like it was another crew-member working the same cabin as the one who made the original mess up. Ot it could have been the crew-member working galley trying to cover up their own mistake.

It reads like the SCCM went straight down the Avios route.

Can I help you Mar 15, 2018 5:29 am

Possibly the first course of action would be offer an alternative meal using product available and if resolved satisfactorily no further action other than competing a record for Customer Realtions.

ukgooner Mar 15, 2018 5:32 am


Originally Posted by All She Wrote (Post 29527068)
10,000 avios at 1p/point is £100, unless it's a common occurrence just take them and be grateful they cared enough to offer compensation at all!


I got £50 to spend in the KrisShop on SQ when this happened last week.

flyuk Mar 15, 2018 5:36 am


Originally Posted by Can I help you (Post 29527247)

You need to know that I can see what they should have been given in compensation and the OP has been overcompensated according to our matrix, I would keep quiet.

It'd probably be a good idea. If the OP ever gets the 10,000 he/she should probably not rock the boat too much for risk of ending up with a lot less.

GM1985 Mar 15, 2018 5:40 am

10K Avios does seem to be on the thick-end of generous, so I'd be tempted to leave it at that rather than push for more.


Originally Posted by DragonSoul (Post 29526307)
Vegetarian of 35+ years here and I never assume there will be a meal for me on a flight. Never managed to get a single vegetarian meal on CX, although it's been a while since I flew with them. If there is one and it's edible, it can seem like a miracle. My mind doesn't immediately jump to "compo, compo, compo", just "that's okay, I have something in my bag". But perhaps that's generational (suck it up, 1st world problems, "in the war...") and/or locational (live somewhere where a compensation culture has yet to take hold).

You were fed, you got 10,000 Avios. Is it because you believe you were truly heinously treated or because you want bragging rights that you want more?

Perhaps not strictly generational. I was born some 40 years after the war, and I would not jump to "compo" in this instance. Part of my travel prep always includes ensuring the iPad is charged and has a plentiful supply of movies and music in case of IFE failures (plus a powerbank to recharge) and a supply of snacks/drinks bought in the airport in case something goes wrong with catering, or I just don't fancy what's on offer. As I spend the majority of my time in WT which (until recent improvements) was pretty light on the catering side for short US East-coast trips, an emergency Mars Bar or Graze Box came in handy.

Besides, you don't know when you're going to face a multi-hour delay on the ground, or an unexpected medical diversion to Reykjavic at 3AM during a transatlantic trip. I always think it's good to be a little self-sufficient here and ensure you have a back-up plan (to some extent, regardless of class of travel).

cgtechuk Mar 15, 2018 5:45 am


Originally Posted by Can I help you (Post 29527293)
Possibly the first course of action would be offer an alternative meal using product available and if resolved satisfactorily no further action other than competing a record for Customer Realtions.


Originally Posted by Can I help you (Post 29527251)

I don’t think the SCCM was trying to bribe the OP, we can offer other things as compensation before offering Avios or vouchers, I can see the way OP describes the situation it does.

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You can "bribe" me with premium alcohol or onboard products from other cabins for most issues I am easy lol

A406toHeathrow Mar 15, 2018 5:46 am

I don't want to add to the lambasting of the OP but I agree this feels more than generous

A couple of years ago, after several CW and CE flights in a row where my KSML main meal arrived still partially or wholly frozen and inedible, I wrote to customer relations.

I never demanded compensation. I did expect something as, under a strictly kosher diet, there would have been no viable alternatives for the crew to provide.
However, more importantly I wanted to highlight the issue to BA. Given this was happening to me in CW, it was therefore happening to many others paying £1,000s for their ticket and expecting an edible and cooked meal (SPML or not). Hopefully other KSML flyers on here will be able to relate on the deep-frozen issues we often have!

Anyway, sorry for the ramble. I received an offer from CR of £100 e-voucher. You could roughly equate that to c. 10,000 Avios. That was for a repeated failing to provide an edible meal which had been pre-ordered and for which there was no viable alternative.

10,000 Avios for your 1 vegetarian meal being misplaced where they could easily have cobbled together an alternative for you is plenty - please don't go down the road of asking for more or CIHY's words will come back to haunt you ;)

RoyalSwazi Mar 15, 2018 6:05 am

Playing the devils advocate: there’s a difference between special need (medical, eg allergies) and special want (religious, vegetarian etc).

I agree it was a service failure, and if OP got compensated then good on him/her!

Tiger_lily Mar 15, 2018 6:24 am

I think that 10k is more than generous for 1 failure.

In the good good old days of bmi, I used to request a low fat breakfast on my Monday morning commute to AMS.

For 8 weeks running it wasn’t loaded, and I complained to them and got a £100 slap up meal at the restaurant of my choice by way of apology.

In the context of what CS have been dishing out in the way of service recovery lately, I’d take the Avios and run.

fotographer Mar 15, 2018 6:42 am

Honestly, why do some people make such a fuss over a meal, they are generally not that good, but more to just past the time in flight.. If I were to complain everything I found something not to standards, that would be my full time job

rumbataz Mar 15, 2018 6:47 am

LMAO. Some of us don't even get a meal unless we buy it on board! Think of the starving...

Jimmie76 Mar 15, 2018 7:04 am


Originally Posted by Can I help you (Post 29527293)
Possibly the first course of action would be offer an alternative meal using product available and if resolved satisfactorily no further action other than competing a record for Customer Realtions.

I've had this before when they didn't load my VLML in WT and the main was replaced with a vegetarian option from a higher cabin. Crew also did this in Club when they were as appalled as I was with the VLML food out of BOS on BA238. Then when the club afternoon tea* was being served to me in F and half of my sandwich had meat in it they added extra vegetarian finger sandwiches to my plate. Only on the last one did I really get annoyed.

*It's the same meal in both cabins.

Sealink Mar 15, 2018 7:13 am


Originally Posted by bamba70 (Post 29525679)
I ordered a special meal but the FA told me I'm not appearing as having any special meal, pointing to some hand-scribbled note with some seat numbers that didn't include mine..

I took some regular meal instead, and asked the FA to check whether it was a mistake in how I order the meal, or that it wasn't loaded for some reason. She promised the check and get back to me. Around 3 hours later, no word from the FA. I asked another FA and it turns out that my special meal appeared in the manifest and was loaded on the plane - it was some human error of the first FA (and maybe others as well).

I asked for a complaint form, but the FA tried to persuade me not to file a complaint and asked how she can make it up to me, offered me a "bottle of something" or a "wash kit from first class". I politely declined. The purser later came up and offered me 2,000 avios (ridiculous, I know). I said the minimum I would even consider as decent compensation is 20,000. The purser then said she can give me 10,000 and if I want anything beyond that I would need to contact customer support. I agreed to take the 10,000 for a start, and entered my email on her ipad for it to presumably auto-post to my account.

Now I'm wondering - what is the chance of getting a significant additional compensation and how to best go about getting it?

I read this with absolute horror. No one has suffered more than you. 100K Avios or walk.

Nicc HK Mar 15, 2018 7:14 am


Originally Posted by Misco60 (Post 29527226)
I don't subscribe to the view that we should never complain about customer service failures because there is someone worse off somewhere in the world. Yes, this is a first-world problem, but (thankfully) we're living in the first world.

Perhaps the OP's expectations were set a little high, but this is the sort of avoidable failure that is all too common on BA these days.

You make a good point, without feedback there is no improvement. I agree on the matter of making the complaint, but at the same time to expect and demand compensation for trivial mistakes is simply pathetic. The BA chaps on the spot tried to make amends but the OP simply seems to demand more.

The OP seems motivated more by what the OP can get out of the mistake than wanting BA to provide better service in the future.

Ancient Observer Mar 15, 2018 7:23 am

It is difficult to develop sympathy when we do not know route and class.
SWMBO had inedible food from Aus to LHR. in WT+.
We complained, but received a cut and paste "sod off" letter. That is now BA's standard approach, so 10k is good, IMHO.

And if CIHY says it is a good offer, then it is!

swingaling Mar 15, 2018 7:39 am


Originally Posted by DragonSoul (Post 29526307)
Never managed to get a single vegetarian meal on CX, although it's been a while since I flew with them.

In my experience, CX almost always has a vegetarian option (pasta typically). The only exception would be short haul flights that tend to have only a single option in Y.

A406toHeathrow Mar 15, 2018 8:38 am

Maybe we are all doing the OP a disservice.

It MUST be that they are European and thus commas and decimal points are reversed.

Hence: OP was offered 2.0 Avios, upon which OP objected and demanded at least 20.0 Avios

Perfectly reasonable :D

Flame3601 Mar 15, 2018 8:44 am

If OP finds that the bare minimum they would expect, I wonder what they would deem a generous offer in their view for such failure.

Tiger_lily Mar 15, 2018 8:51 am


Originally Posted by Flame3601 (Post 29527910)
If OP finds that the bare minimum they would expect, I wonder what they would deem a generous offer in their view for such failure.

probably an extra zero on the offer :rolleyes:

Steve in Olympia Mar 15, 2018 10:41 am


Originally Posted by lorath (Post 29527188)
For a website dedicated to travel and a forum particularly focused on maximizing BA benefits and otherwise providing guidance on keeping a step ahead of BA, surely the sentence ‘you have been severely over compensated’ does not belong?

Surely, I would hope that participants on this website would make a clear distinction between maximizing their benefits, and making making unreasonable demands for excessive compensation.

Exactly how are we all served by the latter?

two_scoops Mar 15, 2018 11:25 am

10,000 is very generous. Stomping your feet and demanding more is just acting like a spoiled brat.I have no sympathy for the OP.

cjb666 Mar 15, 2018 11:32 am

Interesting that history is repeating itself for the OP

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/turk...-about-tk.html

Can I help you Mar 15, 2018 11:35 am

How interesting, the OP seems unlucky.

nufnuf77 Mar 15, 2018 11:38 am


Originally Posted by cjb666 (Post 29528604)
Interesting that history is repeating itself for the OP

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/turk...-about-tk.html

These things do happen. I have a year of BA flying with no incidents (2017 - 160 flights) and in 2018 had non-working IFE twice, non-working CW seat twice, lack of special meal twice, and finally this week pieces of broken crockery in my special meal. Sometimes you can go long time with nothing, and suddenly a storm ;)

bamba70 Mar 15, 2018 12:00 pm

I was in WTP on a nearly $2k ticket when I could have flown the same route for about half of that with another airline offering lower overall standards/convenience.

In my company we charge very high prices for premium service, and generally offer very generous compensation whenever anything goes wrong. It seems to me like all self-respecting businesses should adopt such practice, even in their own self-interest (see where it got Amazon..)

Globaliser Mar 15, 2018 12:01 pm


Originally Posted by bamba70 (Post 29528713)
... and generally offer very generous compensation whenever anything goes wrong.

And that is exactly what you got, even if you got lucky.

haroon145 Mar 15, 2018 12:28 pm


Originally Posted by bamba70 (Post 29528713)
I was in WTP on a nearly $2k ticket when I could have flown the same route for about half of that with another airline offering lower overall standards/convenience.

In my company we charge very high prices for premium service, and generally offer very generous compensation whenever anything goes wrong. It seems to me like all self-respecting businesses should adopt such practice, even in their own self-interest (see where it got Amazon..)

i think your missing the point you consumed an alternative meal, the crew made a mistake but you seemed to be more concerned in getting more compensation then 10,000 offered which is generous

how much the ticket cost is irrelevant, where was you flying too

most people would not have received anything but an apology

im not sure what the nature of your company is but im sure it cannot be compared to the aviation industry
have you received the 10,000 avios already? A call to CR would raise eyebrows as this is very generous service recovery

GM1985 Mar 15, 2018 1:22 pm


Originally Posted by bamba70 (Post 29528713)
I was in WTP on a nearly $2k ticket when I could have flown the same route for about half of that with another airline offering lower overall standards/convenience.

Here’s one way of looking at it. Your ticket (return?) cost $2,000. For the sake of argument (and yes, I know this is not how flights are priced), call it $1,000 per leg (outbound & return). On one of your flights, you did not get a meal and instead received 10,000 Avios valued here by others at £100GBP ... or approximately $140. That’s a 14% refund of the theoretical “value” of your flight (assuming it was a return trip and your meal was delivered on the other segment). Otherwise it’s still a 7% refund.

If BA had charged you $140 for a special meal, would you have paid it?

firstlight Mar 15, 2018 1:29 pm

Phew, I'm just glad I didn't ask for 100,000 avios for the missing hotel chocolat on Mrs Firstlight's plate on our recent famous CW journey from KIN on G-VIIX :-)

bamba70 Mar 15, 2018 2:07 pm


Originally Posted by haroon145 (Post 29528853)

i think your missing the point you consumed an alternative meal, the crew made a mistake but you seemed to be more concerned in getting more compensation then 10,000 offered which is generous

how much the ticket cost is irrelevant, where was you flying too

most people would not have received anything but an apology

im not sure what the nature of your company is but im sure it cannot be compared to the aviation industry
have you received the 10,000 avios already? A call to CR would raise eyebrows as this is very generous service recovery

My notion of what would be appropriate, not to mention generous, was affected both by expectations due to past experience (getting 20k avios for an IFE malfunction, when I couldn't care less about the IFE...), the low valuation I personally attribute to avios, the relative value I give to having a special meal, and the general context.

haroon145 Mar 15, 2018 2:11 pm


Originally Posted by bamba70 (Post 29529228)
My notion of what would be appropriate, not to mention generous, was affected both by expectations due to past experience (getting 20k avios for an IFE malfunction, when I couldn't care less about the IFE...), the low valuation I personally attribute to avios, the relative value I give to having a special meal, and the general context.

however, I think you’ve missed the point completely you may not value IFE malfunction as much as a special meal but on the whole Ife not working is more of an issue especially on a long flight

you didn’t go hungry and these mistakes happen, I don’t think you’ve said where you was travelling too all we know it was in wtp

ba’s service recovery guidelines have changed as well so this was more than a fair offer, in your post you have just come across wanting to see what else, how much more you can get, it doesn’t seem like you really cared about the fundamental issue you raised - special meal

tbh I’m surprised the purser even entertained this, have the 10,000 avios posted yet?

bamba70 Mar 15, 2018 2:13 pm


Originally Posted by GM1985 (Post 29529061)
If BA had charged you $140 for a special meal, would you have paid it?

No, but how is this relevant?

Think about it this way: EU rules define a €600 compensation if a flight is over 4 hrs late. If airlines would reduce the rate by €600 for a flight that often arrives 4 hours late, then offer customers to pay €600 in order to somehow ensure that they arrive on time, how many do you think would pay that €600? And yet, the EU thinks that €600 compensation is fair... why? The passengers got to where they needed to get, got the meals, and even IFE, so why shouldn't an apology suffice? Surely the vast majority of passengers' time isn't worth €150 an hour...

haroon145 Mar 15, 2018 2:16 pm


Originally Posted by bamba70 (Post 29529245)
No, but how is this relevant?

Think about it this way: EU rules define a €600 compensation if a flight is over 4 hrs late. If airlines would reduce the rate by €600 for a flight that often arrives 4 hours late, then offer customers to pay €600 in order to somehow ensure that they arrive on time, how many do you think would pay that €600? And yet, the EU thinks that €600 compensation is fair... why? The passengers got to where they needed to get, got the meals, and even IFE, so why shouldn't an apology suffice?

again your missing the point - you’ve stated you don’t value avios but then you stated onboard you wouldn’t accept less than 20,000

i think everyone has been giving you a consistent message and been trying to illustrate the value of avios

DallasTX_Traveller Mar 15, 2018 2:18 pm

But.. you received an alternative meal. I assume you ate it, correct? You still haven't indicated where you were flying. I don't think you're going to get the response you want here. Will be interesting to know though if the Avios posted yet.

Can I help you Mar 15, 2018 2:18 pm

I think the OP is just being greedy, there I have said it. :)

bamba70 Mar 15, 2018 2:24 pm


Originally Posted by haroon145 (Post 29529255)
again your missing the point - you’ve stated you don’t value avios but then you stated onboard you wouldn’t accept less than 20,000

i think everyone has been giving you a consistent message and been trying to illustrate the value of avios

It's like you're trying to make the point that €50 is a generous compensation for a 4 hour flight delay, whereas the EU ruled that €600 is fair.

haroon145 Mar 15, 2018 2:45 pm


Originally Posted by bamba70 (Post 29529295)
It's like you're trying to make the point that €50 is a generous compensation for a 4 hour flight delay, whereas the EU ruled that €600 is fair.

your not answering the questions people have asked you multiple times - clearly your not going to get an answer here that your looking for

you just don’t seem to get the point or are being ignorant

it would actually be helpful if you post in future if you include the necessary info in your post or answer questions rather than be defensive as that’s how your coming across as well as greedy


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