ThatT1Feeling

Well, let me tell you about my last 10-15 sectors.....

YClass

I had a funny one flying with two friends, one GGL (high value version is my guess) and one Prem. On arrival at out station the GGL had meet & greet, Prem had nothing. At LHR, Prem had car, GGL had nothing (though we all bundled in the car!).

Lolbert

I know this was the case when the CCR card was first issued but I thought this "perk" had been removed and everyone had to earn 5,000 TPs to get a card. Is this not the case?

Wozza2404

Is the general consensus still that there are around 5k GGLs and 500 CCR holders?

If BA really are looking for a way of making GGL a truly exclusive tier then a 5k re-qualification threshold seems like a pretty quick way of doing it. I'd imagine the number of CCR holders would double, and BA would have effectively reduced the number of people in that tier by 80%?

Add in a requirement to do 20 BA sectors and that number would decrease even further.

That said, we had a shift of the GGL tier a few years ago when the 2 x 3k TP rule was removed from qualification criteria, so it seems odd they'd be looking to shake it up again so soon, unless there's a fairly serious underlying issue that's allowing a very small subset of passengers to cause them a significant amount of financial grief?

ThatT1Feeling

I'd favour this... my weekly ET travel works out at on average £15-£20 per TP, which is seriously profitable for BA (I get a small seat and nothing to eat for that), plus I also get to over 3000 TPs per year, but generally fewer than 5000 TPs. I'm such a cash cow for BA. I'd be a little miffed to lose GGL based on my patterns.

deboyzoned

Doesn't an individuals CIV score indicate the BA Spend? Or is it linked to your status ?

Wozza2404

Both.

I think the CIV for a GCH can range from 35 to 96, with the higher the number indicating how much that person spends (as well as other things).

A GGL, however, has a CIV with a minimum figure of 97.

I believe a Prem has a minimum CIV of 100 (out of 110).

Someone will be along to clarify the numbers, but that's roughly how it works.

KARFA

deboyzoned

And someone came along :-) ....
What about GfL ?

KARFA

deboyzoned

Isn't a CIV of 100 also for Most Valuable GGL ? (think this was introduced back in 2013).

morges1

Since Karfa's list is correct, I suspect they would be a 99 but who knows?

mcgol

I am intrigued by this CIV talk. While I (think I) understand it is some sort of metric matching a spending figure to a customer, can someone shed more light onto this?

I have not really seen this mentioned/explained in too much detail here on FT yet so I am curious. From reading the above it looks like being bronze/silver/gold, there is a maximum CIV score that can be attached to your name (as well as getting a minimum score by virtue of that status), but that makes me think: "the person travelling on short notice for business and paying 3k for an economy return trip to the MEAST for example is likely to have a much higher spend per year figure attached to their name (despite maybe only earning 40-140 TPs for the return Y fare) than the TP runner that gets some 840 TPS from a 1.5k fare ex-OTP.

So what other metrics/considerations that go into these CIV calculations, as otherwise wouldn't it be possible for a bronze card holder to have a much higher CIV score than a GCH - if we take it to the extreme of very expensive Y tickets compared to Honolulu Gold?

Thanks in advance!

I am not trying to understand the exact formula behind it (as I assume that is unknown anyway) but just what the general considerations are? Time with BAEC, time with status, distance flown per year, sectors flown...?

Thanks

Thanks

Fly2Where

I have different view on this. For those less BA sectors means they are essentially less frequent to use BA facility. Require more BA section essentially discourage some to stay with BAEC. Think about this, if someone fly very little or don't fly with BA, but credit to BAEC, BA would still make money for partner airlines paying for miles, no? So, BA do nothing but still make money, kinda like passive income to them.

Wozza2404

They're capped.

So as per Karfa's figures of 52-96 for a Gold, we can expect the Silver posts to be something like 20-51, and Bronze at 10-19 (or whatever it may be.

For example, your Gold spending tens of thousands each year can only ever get to 96. A GGL doing a few £k in TP runs on QR would immediately trump them on 97.