Width of BA seats 777 vs. A380 Business

Old Jan 30, 18, 10:08 am
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Width of BA seats 777 vs. A380 Business

I searched for this but didn't find anything yet so... I found photos of the A380 seats in business class and understand they're narrower than other airlines.

How about compared to a 777 BA Business seat - are they the same and if not how do they compare? If it varies by type of 777 or A-380 then is there a comparison chart anywhere? Thanks.
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Old Jan 30, 18, 10:26 am
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According to British Airways Aircraft Seat Maps on 'The BA Source' website the seat width in club world on the 777 and the A380 is 20" on both types of aircraft.

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Old Jan 30, 18, 10:27 am
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Could you indicate what research you did to discover that the seats are narrower than other airlines? What are you comparing to?

I am sure somebody will be able to present the exact dimensions but suspect you will find they are broadly similar.
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Old Jan 30, 18, 10:29 am
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I'm fairly certain that all the Club World product seats are identical, the two exceptions being the A321 midhaul and A318 Babybus. So A380, 777, 747, 787 are all the same, it is the same seat on an adapted chassis in all of them. It is narrower at shoulder level than some airlines, bit wider at the lower end compared to some airlines, there isn't the "foot coffin". Some seats are nominally longer than others due to a lack of a neighbouring seat, however. Unless you are over 100cm/40 inch waist, over 2 metres/ 6 ft 4 inches or an All Black you're unlikely to have a big problem here. (And All Black players have flown CW and survived the experience, now I think about it).
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Old Jan 30, 18, 10:42 am
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The 777 feels narrower than say the 747 upper deck window seats, but that's because of the storage area near the window. Similarly the A380 upper deck window seats feel more spacious because there is storage space along the windows (iirc). But the actual seats themselves are identical, just that some extra space near the window makes them feel larger. Also, I think there is some variation of the laptop tray/drawer, with ones on the 777 being smaller than on the 747 iirc.
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Old Jan 30, 18, 10:42 am
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The seat model on the 380 is exactly the same as on the 787 or 747-400 super Hi-J from an ordering point of view (excluding the upper deck 380 and middle seats 787) and the dimensions of the cushions are exactly the same as the 777, so I don't believe this is right.
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I have been doing some research into this, so that I can add (eventually) seat width info to the A quick guide to BA partner long haul business class products thread.

Here is the info collected so far. Bed mode measurements take into account retractable arm rests.

Aer Lingus
A332, A333, B752: 19.8" wide (19.8" bed mode)

American Airlines
B763: 19.8" wide (19.8" bed mode)
B772, B788 (Concept D): 20.8" wide
B772, B789 (Super Diamond): 21" wide
B773: 20.5" wide (25" bed mode)
A332, A333: 20.5" wide

British Airways
B744, B772, B773, B788, B789, A380: 20" wide (25" bed mode)
A321: 19.8" wide (19.8" bed mode)
A318: 20" wide (21.5" bed mode)

Cathay Pacific
A333, B772, B773: 20.5" wide (25" bed mode)
A350: 20.2" wide

Finnair
A332, A333: 19.8" wide (19.8" bed mode)
A359: 21" wide

Iberia
A332, A333, A346: 21" wide (21" bed mode)
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I just flew LHR-JFK on a 744 and LAX-LHR on the A380 in F. I saw F and J in both planes and must say that the seats in the A380 look and feel wider, by a lot.
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Originally Posted by EDDMflyer View Post
I just flew LHR-JFK on a 744 and LAX-LHR on the A380 in F. I saw F and J in both planes and must say that the seats in the A380 look and feel wider, by a lot.
The F seat is, the J seat isn't
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Originally Posted by Prospero View Post
I have been doing some research into this, so that I can add (eventually) seat width info to the A quick guide to BA partner long haul business class products thread.

Here is the info collected so far. Bed mode measurements take into account retractable arm rests.

Aer Lingus
A332, A333, B752: 19.8" wide (19.8" bed mode)

American Airlines
B763: 19.8" wide (19.8" bed mode)
B772, B788 (Concept D): 20.8" wide
B772, B789 (Super Diamond): 21" wide
B773: 20.5" wide (25" bed mode)
A332, A333: 20.5" wide

British Airways
B744, B772, B773, B788, B789, A380: 20" wide (25" bed mode)
A321: 19.8" wide (19.8" bed mode)
A318: 20" wide (21.5" bed mode)

Cathay Pacific
A333, B772, B773: 20.5" wide (25" bed mode)
A350: 20.2" wide

Finnair
A332, A333: 19.8" wide (19.8" bed mode)
A359: 21" wide

Iberia
A332, A333, A346: 21" wide (21" bed mode)
Slightly off topic but where are you getting this info from? The CX dimensions are off.

A359: 20.2" (dont have the bed dimensions to hand)
A330: 20.2" (27.6")
77W: 21" (29.5")
772/773: 21" (no bed mode on these configs)

Back on topic. All the CW seats are the same i think, but on the A380 the window seats have far more space next to them due to the fuselage curvature. On the 777 it can get very claustrophobic with the wall next to you.
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Old Jan 31, 18, 2:34 am
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Not quite right... most of the seats are the same width, but the centre seats on the A380 upstairs are wider than those on the 777.

If you pick an E seat on the upper deck, you'll get an extra 4 inches of so of width. BA went for the cheap options when updating CW for the A380 (hence the power issues to the dividers) so rather than centering the seat with this extra space, they put it all down the right hand side (as you sit in the chair). So if you're right handed, it's a nice little extra
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Old Jan 31, 18, 2:57 am
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Originally Posted by darthlemsip View Post
The F seat is, the J seat isn't
Not sure this is correct, the F seat itself is the same width on 744 & 380

It's the amount of plastic surround that varies
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Old Jan 31, 18, 2:59 am
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Originally Posted by 710 77345 View Post
... so rather than centering the seat with this extra space, they put it all down the right hand side (as you sit in the chair). So if you're right handed, it's a nice little extra
Was this a cost-saving measure, or was it a deliberate decision not to centre the seat? I can't see why there should have been any presumption that the seat ought to be centred, as suggested by your post. The current arrangement means that the extra space is useable; it wouldn't have been if it was evenly distributed on either side. In addition, there couldn't have been the useful extra storage area to the right-hand side of the seat.

In any event, I don't think that the seat itself is any wider in the E seats. It's just that there is more space to the right of the seat.
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Old Jan 31, 18, 3:36 am
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Was this a cost-saving measure, or was it a deliberate decision not to centre the seat? I can't see why there should have been any presumption that the seat ought to be centred, as suggested by your post.
In any event, I don't think that the seat itself is any wider in the E seats. It's just that there is more space to the right of the seat.
Well, there is additional space in the seat unit and BA could have made the cushion and mechanical mechanism fill the space giving a better customer experience at a not-inconsiderable additional cost of maintaining a non-standard seat.

If BA had centred the current sized seat, then you'd be able to have normal chair-style armrests, rather than having your left arm using a space that has been carved out of the seat divider and ends with a wall - which means you can't rest your hands over the end of the left armrest (but you can on the right).

As for the seat size, well, you end up with an esoteric discussion on what exactly a seat is The cushions are the same size, but if you consider it as the floorspace consumed (in a similar way to the A380 F seat being bigger than the 777 F seat) then it is definitely bigger.
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Old Jan 31, 18, 3:52 am
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Originally Posted by 710 77345 View Post
As for the seat size, well, you end up with an esoteric discussion on what exactly a seat is The cushions are the same size, but if you consider it as the floorspace consumed (in a similar way to the A380 F seat being bigger than the 777 F seat) then it is definitely bigger.
OK fair enough, in which case we can add the 787 middle middles too, since they have a bit more width around them and in both case the importance is, as you imply above, things like elbow room and shoulder wriggle room, both of which add value for many travellers. However the seat itself, excluding the unit and chassis around it, is (as good as) one size only throughout.

In the case of the 787 the extra space - which isn't a huge amount or on the A380 either - is somewhat mitigated by the lower height lockers and smallness of the cabin. Some people may find it claustrophobic, despite the extra space though it makes for a quiet sleep spot particularly on the bulkheads. I go for the windows, but the middle middles on A380s and 787s is a good second best.
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