More 380’s for BA?
Jan 28, 2018, 7:12 am
#151
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95,000ltrs of Aviation fuel.
£20,000 (at the time of recording, summer 2016)
It takes 30mins to fill up.
No idea what a 777 stats are in comparison :S
Jan 28, 2018, 7:14 am
#152
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Turning the BA15 in a 380 route would mean having 3 frames, every single day, employed on LHR-SIN-SYD. Ain't enough of them, today. And even if there were, the SIN-SYD would probably go red. SIN-SYD was loss-making on a 744, mainly because of the low seat factor and the operating costs of the route. There was no way to compete on price with the ME3s with a four-engine, 14xcrew plus flight crew on each flight unless you flew the route at a loss. The 77W has lower costs, can (and is) filled to capacity on most days and requires less crew. Throw in a 380 with 22 crew and 470 seats and all the work to save that route would be wasted. If this was still 2003, perhaps. But I'm afraid it isn't.
Jan 28, 2018, 7:22 am
#153
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As much as I'd love to see the A380 on BA15/16 LHR-SIN-SYD route, I have to agree with the above that an A380 on the SIN-SYD leg isn't going to work for BA; Y seems more occupied than J over the years I've flown to/from SYD. Now QF is returning to SIN, so it will be telling if the 773 will remain profitable after QF switches back to SIN.
Jan 28, 2018, 7:24 am
#154
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As much as I'd love to see the A380 on BA15/16 LHR-SIN-SYD route, I have to agree with the above that an A380 on the SIN-SYD leg isn't going to work for BA; Y seems more occupied than J over the years I've flown to/from SYD. Now QF is returning to SIN, so it will be telling if the 773 will remain profitable after QF switches back to SIN.
Jan 28, 2018, 7:40 am
#155
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Jan 28, 2018, 9:10 am
#156
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Or look at it another way - the laughable percentage of US-AUS traffic BA actually gets. Yes, sitting in 777 J on this route is a tragedy. But given the prominent ties between the US and AUS and the amount of traffic in between, the fact BA flies one 777 proves how terrible of a product it has.
Jan 28, 2018, 9:26 am
#157
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Or look at it another way - the laughable percentage of US-AUS traffic BA actually gets. Yes, sitting in 777 J on this route is a tragedy. But given the prominent ties between the US and AUS and the amount of traffic in between, the fact BA flies one 777 proves how terrible of a product it has.
I use the SIN-SYD service regularly and it is almost always full.
Jan 28, 2018, 9:30 am
#158
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All these posts about why BA shouldn't buy it, yet they must want too as they've made it clear in the past and Willie said very recently with the recent EK order they will take a look at buying new ones.
If BA to get more, it will be to return IAD and BOS, add DFW and return LAX to 2 A380. I very much doubt they'll be flying anywhere but west of the UK.
Jan 28, 2018, 9:38 am
#159
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Even with LHR-SIN, on a similar route MH believe A350s are 30% cheaper to operate on LHR-KUL compared to an A380 and their last A380 flight to London will run next month. They also struggled getting that many bums on seats.
I think BA might find it difficult to find viable routes for some new A380s. I guess the A380s would be useful if there was a significant improvement in the world economy and the completion date of the third runaway at LHR is pushed beyond the lifespan/lease of the planes?
I think BA might find it difficult to find viable routes for some new A380s. I guess the A380s would be useful if there was a significant improvement in the world economy and the completion date of the third runaway at LHR is pushed beyond the lifespan/lease of the planes?
Jan 28, 2018, 9:47 am
#161
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I think BA might find it difficult to find viable routes for some new A380s. I guess the A380s would be useful if there was a significant improvement in the world economy and the completion date of the third runaway at LHR is pushed beyond the lifespan/lease of the planes?
Jan 28, 2018, 9:51 am
#162
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I think BA might find it difficult to find viable routes for some new A380s. I guess the A380s would be useful if there was a significant improvement in the world economy and the completion date of the third runaway at LHR is pushed beyond the lifespan/lease of the planes?
Mar 6, 2018, 1:10 pm
#163
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Flight Global article today:
"IAG chief executive Willie Walsh is interested in purchasing more Airbus A380s but "wouldn't waste 10 seconds on it" based on prices he has seen.
"We're always open to offers from Airbus," Walsh said in Brussels today. "We're not negotiating – we've said very clearly to Airbus, if they want to sell A380s they need to be aggressive on pricing."
He describes prices he has seen from Airbus, however, as "unacceptable to us", adding that he is "not going to waste any time coming up with a price. That's for [Airbus]. If they want to sell the aircraft, they know that we're a potential buyer… They know that we're open to operating more of them… but only if the price is right."
Full article https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...iculou-446484/
Just part of WW negotiating with Airbus through public media or his true position?
"IAG chief executive Willie Walsh is interested in purchasing more Airbus A380s but "wouldn't waste 10 seconds on it" based on prices he has seen.
"We're always open to offers from Airbus," Walsh said in Brussels today. "We're not negotiating – we've said very clearly to Airbus, if they want to sell A380s they need to be aggressive on pricing."
He describes prices he has seen from Airbus, however, as "unacceptable to us", adding that he is "not going to waste any time coming up with a price. That's for [Airbus]. If they want to sell the aircraft, they know that we're a potential buyer… They know that we're open to operating more of them… but only if the price is right."
Full article https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...iculou-446484/
Just part of WW negotiating with Airbus through public media or his true position?
Mar 6, 2018, 2:39 pm
#164
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Well it's clearly a negotiation strategy but given how desperate Airbus are for buyers it's probably the right move. Airbus are so desperate and have no path to recouping the program they'd probably move them close to cost price. If BA are really desperate they can wait a few years until there are more in the second-hand market. With almost no demand for a second hand A380, they'll be very cheap.