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Welcome to the thread. This is a continuation of the highly popular 2017 Tier Point thread. We keep track of other prices, as well as useful reference information for those planning tier point runs.

Please read the first few posts in this thread first as it contains lots of information which may answer your question.

This is a community-maintained wiki post. Please add important information to it or correct outdated information by clicking the "Edit" button below.

Current Promotions of Interest
Sale Fares
  • from JER to PDX IKN8T1S6 reported in this post, e.g. PDX £1,082, needs to be booked by 8 May, see linked post for details

Advanced Promotion Fares
  • from OTP to PHX ILN8C8S4 reported here, e.g. PHX - £1,296, see linked post for details
  • from AMS to BKK INCEU60 reported here, e.g. BKK - £1,340, see linked post for details

See here in post #9 for a 2018 archive of exEU sale fare, and see this post in the 2017 thread for last years’ archive of exEU sale fares.

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This thread lists attractive tier point (TP) runs under £3 per TP grouped within different (departure) geographies

Please note that current availability is not guaranteed and all prices include taxes. Please use the following convention when adding tier point runs to this wiki post:
Date fare checked Price per Tier Point Total Price Total Tier Points Route Booking Classes Booking Channel Credit Notes (if applicable) Airlines

Please remember to:
  • Convert currencies to GBP, rounding to the nearest pound.
  • Post full routes and full booking classes.
  • Note any restrictions on booking in the Notes section.
  • List in order of price per tier point within the relevant departure area.

Please see the links at the bottom of the wiki for archives of runs from previous years.

From Europe
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3Feb 200TPs DUB-LHR-HEL/HEL-LHR all I class ba.com
From North, Central and South America

23Sep £1.48/TP £650 (US$853) 440 TPs JFK-CLT/BOS-LAX-LAS and return all I class aa.com
6Sep £1.50/TP US$457 240TPs RIC-CLT-DCA-BOS, BOS-LGA/PHL-CLT-RIC all I class aa.com
Jan/Feb wide open £1.94/TP £700(US$883) 360 TPs SEA-CLT-MCO-PHX-SEA all I class aa.com



From Middle East, Asia and Australasia
18Jan £1.58/TP £883 560 CMB-xHKG-CGK return I cathaypacific.com ermen CX
28Feb £1.44/TP £575 400 MCT-DOH-BKK-DOH-MCT A/R/R/A travel.americanexpress.co.uk QR
21Feb £1.53/TP £860 560 HKG-CMB-MEL return I Expedia.com.hk Firemin UL
16Mar £1.22/TP £687 560 CGK-CMB-DXB return I srilankan.com Firemin UL
01Apr £0.87/TP £314 360 PEN-KUL-KTM return Malaysian.com cgtechuk MH
01Apr £1.19/TP £335 280 KUL-PER return Malaysian.com cgtechuk MH
01Apr £1.28/TP £335 360 PEN-KUL-PER return Malaysian.com cgtechuk MH
05Apr £2.00/TP £320 160 CAN-HKG-TPE return CathayPacific.com littlevoices CX/KA (flexible fare, bookable up to 24 hours in advance, allows stopovers, book with CX directly)

From Africa


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Need a year-end TP run (ex-LON) to make / retain status?
Some tips for searching for the year-end TP run for newcomers, the below is indicative only, but hopefully provides a bit of guidance for relatively straightforward runs ex-LON. Some information on how to use ITA matrix is in post #4 of this thread (or just click here) along with these ideas, might come in handy. Feel free to share results, problems or general questions in the thread as these may not always work and there might be better deals out there...

For overnight trips remember to check BA and Iberia for their flights and hotel option as well, can get hotel for almost no extra cost at times

Need 80 TPs or fewer
Club Europe return somewhere close by is best - DUB, AMS and JER usually cheapest along with UK domestic returns. Additionally you may find that trips in to mainland Europe require a one night stay whereas the cheapest domestic CE returns do not have any minimum stay so can be booked as a same day return. If doing a back to back AMS and JER can be easier than DUB for an immediate turnaround - more information can be found in the back to back thread listed in the forum dashboard. The BA.com low fare finder can be very useful.

If you need as few as 45 TPs you might consider booking economy flights and hoping for a proactive online upgrade offer - but they're not guaranteed to materialise (so not one if you have no more time left in your TP collection year). Alternatively, booking a return to one of the 40 tier point destinations with one way in CE and the return in ET (or vice versa if cheaper). UK domestic route, Bilbao, Jersey and Amsterdam seem the most cost effective for this.

Need 85-120 TPs
Iberia flights via MAD to regional Spanish airports will get you 120 TPs as the domestic Spanish flights are 20 TPs in business. Under £300 including hotel can be available. Check BIO, GRX, VLC, BCN, SVQ etc. Example here

Need 125-160 TPs
Take a look at the shorthaul plus routes earning 80 TPs each way in business listed in the first post of this thread, MLA, IST, HEL and RAK are usually available. If time sensitive take a look at BA flight and hotel option to HEL, where you can usually get the last BA flight out on a Saturday, airport hotel and first return Sunday for well under £500.

Alternative options include positioning to JER and flying JER-LGW-XXX (AMS usually works well and avoids switching airports).

Need more than 160 TPs
You'll most likely be heading north then - OSL or VNO via HEL will get you 240 TPs, as will JER-LGW/LHR-HEL e.g. LHR-HEL-OSL for £520.
DUB-LHR-HEL return (or return to LHR) is currently a very efficient way of hitting 200-240 TPs
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Old Jan 5, 2018, 5:11 am
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Originally Posted by BerksFlyer
Thank goodness for the AA 24hr hold. The price of my OTP-PHX came down from £1315 to £1222 overnight so I have now cancelled and re-held at the new price. 23 hours to see if anything more gets squeezed off or I can come up with new routings that take something off.
Thanks for posting. And only a week after I booked my one, how annoying!

will update wiki and fare detail post later today.
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Old Jan 5, 2018, 5:27 am
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Originally Posted by KARFA


Thanks for posting. And only a week after I booked my one, how annoying!

will update wiki and fare detail post later today.
not as bad as having booked one for a travel companion 25 hour ago!
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Old Jan 5, 2018, 5:53 am
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Originally Posted by KARFA
And only a week after I booked my one, how annoying!
Originally Posted by navylad
not as bad as having booked one for a travel companion 25 hour ago!
We’ve all been there though, right?!

The only single down side with flyer talk is that threads like this don’t allow you to book and hide yourself from any future price change. Up or down!
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Old Jan 5, 2018, 7:02 am
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Trip to Perth in March

Hey guys,

I am needing to fly to Perth to be there by Mon 19.03 (ideally want to land latest Sunday night 18.03) and need to be back in London on Mar 25 to be back in the office on Monday Mar 26.

Now, my boss has not been telling me too much in regards of travel class apart from "maybe one of the legs can be done in higher than economy". So, me being over 190 cm tall, I am now scared of having to sit at the back for that 25+ hour trip for at least one leg.

I am coming to you in search of help for a few deals that would maybe convince my boss to have me fly C/WTP and to maximize tier points on the trip at the same time - was hoping to make Gold this year finally and this trip has the potential to provide some 6-700 tier points. Actually knowing you guys, one of you will probably come back and tell me I can make Gold with that trip alone...

I have had a brief look myself and it seems that I could get QF/EK return in C for around GBP 3.300.

However, my favourite at the moment is WAW-LHR-HKG-PER with CX which could be had for some 2.6k in C. I have to be in WAW in May anyway, so would just put the last leg of that flight to be my outbound for that trip and buy a one way to WAW and start the trip from there...

I also need to be in DUS in April so maybe some of you can find decent deals from/to DUS, but I have not done so yet. Generally I dont mind getting a one way ticket out of my personal pocket to anywhere in Europe to keep prices down and get C or at least WTP for the trip (maybe a cheap rate combo for C one way and WTP the other way can be found? - although ofc that would harm the tier points earned massively but still better than at the back for these flights)

Unfortunately my boss has not even given me guidance of where his threshold would be to let me fly C, as he will only start looking for his own ticket next week, so I want to be prepared for when he starts looking next week and be able to tell him "well I have seen a trip for GBP xxx in C which I think is much cheaper/better (or only x more than the Y trip) you just found... Him and I will not be required to fly together as he also needs to be in Singapore on the way home which is why I am hoping that if I can tell him "I found this price which is much cheaper than what you are doing" I can increase my chances of not having to fly coach.

I hope you understand my dilemma and that those of you who do these trips regularly and the travel agents among us can help me out here.

If it really makes a difference I would also not be totally against the idea of taking a day of holiday at either end of the trip to get the costs down.

Thanks a lot - any more info you need let me.
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Old Jan 5, 2018, 7:11 am
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OSL LHR SIN SYD PER on BA and QF would be the best TP haul for about £2.5k and 960TP

QR from Oslo will be cheaper but only 560TP
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Old Jan 5, 2018, 8:51 am
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Originally Posted by teledude
OSL LHR SIN SYD PER on BA and QF would be the best TP haul for about £2.5k and 960TP

QR from Oslo will be cheaper but only 560TP
Indeed

https://www.google.co.uk/flights/#se...c=b;a=ONEWORLD

EDIT - just to underline that, the premium economy price from LHR is about the same fare. You won't get much change out of £1500 for a WT+ leg to somewhere like SIN or KUL plus economy to Perth I suspect.

Great deal.

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Old Jan 5, 2018, 9:10 am
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Booking OTP -> PHX

Short of being able to get Matrix Powertools working – does anyone have some advice on being able to book OTP -> PHX via the AA or BA websites directly? I can price up in IA Matrix with an overnight in JFK and routing via LHR / JFK / LAX, but cannot seem to get the same price and routings on AA/BA websites.
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Old Jan 5, 2018, 9:25 am
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Originally Posted by mindgraph
Short of being able to get Matrix Powertools working – does anyone have some advice on being able to book OTP -> PHX via the AA or BA websites directly? I can price up in IA Matrix with an overnight in JFK and routing via LHR / JFK / LAX, but cannot seem to get the same price and routings on AA/BA websites.
AA,com seams to be working with these fares if you search using multi city OTP-HEL, HEL-JFK, JFK-PHX and return. Select all airlines and business cabin and search by lowest price (I get an error when searching by selecting individual flights). It’s a bit of a pain looking through the options to find the one you want but it does work.
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Old Jan 5, 2018, 9:46 am
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Originally Posted by mindgraph
Short of being able to get Matrix Powertools working – does anyone have some advice on being able to book OTP -> PHX via the AA or BA websites directly? I can price up in IA Matrix with an overnight in JFK and routing via LHR / JFK / LAX, but cannot seem to get the same price and routings on AA/BA websites.
Originally Posted by navylad


AA,com seams to be working with these fares if you search using multi city OTP-HEL, HEL-JFK, JFK-PHX and return. Select all airlines and business cabin and search by lowest price (I get an error when searching by selecting individual flights). It’s a bit of a pain looking through the options to find the one you want but it does work.
Why waste time and effort trying to plug all the information into AA.com (or the inferior BA.com)?

If you have the itinerary correctly priced in ITA Matrix, just use ITA Powertools to clickthrough to AA.com and your booking will be presented as it was in ITA - link here. Use the links in that post to work out how to use Powertools (it is very easy, and I cannot recommend this tool enough....).

Forget using BA.com for any complicated itineraries, quite frankly it is rubbish compared to AA.com.
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Old Jan 5, 2018, 9:53 am
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Originally Posted by KARFA
exOTP Advanced Purchase Fare BA ILN8C8S4 to PHX

Some information below on this advanced purchase OTP fare. I think this does cover multiple US destinations, but this is highlighted for PHX which is particularly cheap.

Routings via HEL are possible so: OTP-LHR-HEL-JFK-LAX-PHX-LAX-JFK-HEL-LHR-OTP. Also bear in mind LHR-OTP is a short haul + route so earns 80 TPs one way in J, so a simple OTP-LHR- JFK-LAX-PHX-LAX-JFK- LHR-OTP would earn 80+140+140+40+40+140+140+80=800 TP.

The fare does cover travel dates for 2018. However, if you are looking for late 2018 you need to bear in mind that AA flights are only released at 330 days whilst BA flights are released at 355 days.

As it is an advanced purchase fare there is no explicit end date.

Example price:

OTP-PHX - £1,296





This allows positioning for your inbound TATL prior to the Sunday. You can therefore set off from PHX on Saturday arriving in to NYC during Saturday, have a night in NYC night, and then do your TATL on Sunday.




So 2 transfers in Europe and 2 transfers in the US each way. An overnight connection of up to 24 hrs between flights would be counted as a transfer, anything beyond that would be a stopover.



Stopovers can be done in Europe. Bear mind the cost of doing a stopover in London on the way out is a lot more expensive since APD is £150, so the total additional cost of adding a stopover in London would be €150 + £150 + any other airport fees. On the inbound if you did a stopover in London you would only pay the extra £26 APD for the LHR-OTP sector.

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FARE COMPONENT IS NON-REFUNDABLE.
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WAIVED FOR DEATH OF A PASSENGER AND PASSENGERS
TRAVELLING COMPANIONS.
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WHEN COMBINING NON-REFUNDABLE FARES WITH
REFUNDABLE FARES
1. THE AMOUNT PAID ON EACH REFUNDABLE FARE
COMPONENT IS REFUNDED.
2. THE AMOUNT PAID ON EACH NON-REFUNDABLE FARE
COMPONENT WILL NOT BE REFUNDED.
3. WHEN COMBINING FARES CHARGE THE SUM OF THE
CANCELLATION FEES OF ALL CANCELLED FARE
COMPONENTS.
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REFUND OF UNUSED TAXES FEES AND CHARGES PAID TO
THIRD PARTIES PERMITTED. ASSOCIATED CARRIER
IMPOSED CHARGES WILL NOT BE REFUNDED.
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REFUND PERMITTED WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY.
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ANY NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT FROM A PREVIOUS TICKET
REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE FOLLOWING A CHANGE.
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TICKET IS NOT TRANSFERABLE TO ANOTHER PERSON.
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REPRICE USING ANY FARE TYPE EXCEPT ERU AND EOU.
FLOWN COUPONS MUST BE REPRICED USING HISTORICAL
FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE.
THE FARE FOR THE JOURNEY TRAVELLED MUST BE CAPPED
AT THE TOTAL FARE AMOUNT PLUS CARRIER IMPOSED
CHARGE PAID ON THE TICKET BEING PRESENTED FOR
REFUND.
FULLY FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS MAY BE REPRICED USING
ANY BOOKING CODE WITHIN THE SAME CABIN PROVIDED
THE NEW FARE AMOUNT IS EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN
ORIGINAL.
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USING THE SAME OR HIGHER BOOKING CODE.

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ALL PASSENGER TYPES.
INFANTS WITHOUT A SEAT - NO CHARGE.
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MUST BE MADE ON THE SAME DAY.
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RESERVATION BUT NO LATER THAN SCHEDULED DEPARTURE
TIME OF FLIGHT BEING CHANGED.
OTHERWISE THE TICKET WILL ONLY BE VALID FOR
REFUND IF APPLICABLE.
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WITHIN THE JOURNEY APPLIES.
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DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED.
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TO BOOKING CODE ONLY IN THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT
AND RESULT IN A HIGHER FARE THE ITINERARY MUST BE
RE-PRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE
PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE OR USING CURRENT FARES IN
EFFECT ON THE DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED -
WHICHEVER IS LOWER.
C. BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY WHEN THERE ARE NO
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FARE COMPONENTS ARE CHANGED THE ITINERARY MUST BE
RE-PRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE
PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE OR USING CURRENT FARES IN
EFFECT ON THE DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED-
WHICHEVER IS LOWER.
D. AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY THE ITINERARY MUST
BE RE-PRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON
THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE.
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How does one enter this in matrix? Thanks!!
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Old Jan 5, 2018, 10:12 am
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Originally Posted by rossmacd
Why waste time and effort trying to plug all the information into AA.com (or the inferior BA.com)?

If you have the itinerary correctly priced in ITA Matrix, just use ITA Powertools to clickthrough to AA.com and your booking will be presented as it was in ITA - link here. Use the links in that post to work out how to use Powertools (it is very easy, and I cannot recommend this tool enough....).

Forget using BA.com for any complicated itineraries, quite frankly it is rubbish compared to AA.com.
To be fair, when I was searching, I was finding flights on aa.com with this that were 1£180 cheaper than the ones that were coming up on ITA matrix and I can understand how daunting using ITA matrix can be if your unfamiliar with it.

As for what to put into matrix, scroll up through the thread and there is a screen shot of what to put and you just need to change your dates.
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Old Jan 5, 2018, 12:10 pm
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Originally Posted by rossmacd
Why waste time and effort trying to plug all the information into AA.com (or the inferior BA.com)?

If you have the itinerary correctly priced in ITA Matrix, just use ITA Powertools to clickthrough to AA.com and your booking will be presented as it was in ITA - link here. Use the links in that post to work out how to use Powertools (it is very easy, and I cannot recommend this tool enough....).

Forget using BA.com for any complicated itineraries, quite frankly it is rubbish compared to AA.com.
Thanks! Have tried using Powertools for the first time this evening for a good hour or so but when I click through - the price jumps up by $1k. Will keep playing around with it - I'm sure it's user error. If the flight is available in ITA matrix at a certain price, with a certain routing - then it must be possible to book right?
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Old Jan 5, 2018, 12:31 pm
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Originally Posted by mindgraph
Thanks! Have tried using Powertools for the first time this evening for a good hour or so but when I click through - the price jumps up by $1k. Will keep playing around with it - I'm sure it's user error. If the flight is available in ITA matrix at a certain price, with a certain routing - then it must be possible to book right?
If you price the itinerary on ITA I would say 99 times out of 100 Powertools will work no problem, certainly with AA.

What are you trying book (specifically) and which dates?
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Old Jan 5, 2018, 12:39 pm
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Originally Posted by rossmacd
If you price the itinerary on ITA I would say 99 times out of 100 Powertools will work no problem, certainly with AA.

What are you trying book (specifically) and which dates?
Ross... when generating the booking on AA.com, is there any way to get around the UK credit card issue or do you have to ring up to pay with a UK card?

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Old Jan 5, 2018, 12:55 pm
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Originally Posted by oxtailsoup


Ross... when generating the booking on AA.com, is there any way to get around the UK credit card issue or do you have to ring up to pay with a UK card?


You can pay with a UK credit card on the AA site. When you click through from Powertools, choose the UK website:



Then you should be presented with the option to input a UK address:


This normally works, but sometimes there is a bit of availability/fare/currency fluctuation between ITA Matrix and the UK site availability (so just check you are happy with the price before committing)

I've just clicked through and it showed my itinerary with a 20p difference.

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