Nov 13, 2018, 12:10 am
Last edit by: Scotflyer80
Currently these aircraft are based in LHR T5. The registrations are:
A320neo
G-TTNA
G-TTNB
G-TTNC
G-TTND
G-TTNE
G-TTNF
G-TTNG
G-TTNH
G-TTNI
G-TTNJ
G-TTNK
G-TTNL
G-TTNM
G-TTNO
A321neo
G-NEOP
G-NEOR
G-NEOS
G-NEOT
G-NEOU
G-NEOV
G-NEOW
G-NEOX
G-NEOY
G-NEOZ
A320neo
G-TTNA
G-TTNB
G-TTNC
G-TTND
G-TTNE
G-TTNF
G-TTNG
G-TTNH
G-TTNI
G-TTNJ
G-TTNK
G-TTNL
G-TTNM
G-TTNO
A321neo
G-NEOP
G-NEOR
G-NEOS
G-NEOT
G-NEOU
G-NEOV
G-NEOW
G-NEOX
G-NEOY
G-NEOZ
NEOs and a couple of SH changes
Mar 15, 2018, 11:22 am
#286
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I mean I think one thing is for certain - this is not sustainable. There is nothing that makes passengers more angry than not being able to deplane quickly upon arrival. Nevermind that I can see the EU 261 argument of when the plane arrived if passengers were knowingly going to be kept on board. So some solution will ultimately be worked out.
Mar 15, 2018, 5:18 pm
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Quoting an internal message:
Basically, when the aircraft centre of gravity is beyond a certain point towards the rear of the aircraft, a message will be sent to the aircraft and loaders to advise that the aircraft must be disembarked in a certain order to avoid any ground stability issues, including tail tip.
Due to the increased seating capacity of the densified A320ceo and A320neo family of aircraft, the aircraft have more propensity to be unstable on the ground whilst disembarking. Indiscriminate unloading of the forward hold whilst disembarking can reduce the weight on the nose wheel and create a ground stability risk.
Last edited by TWEED1A; Mar 15, 2018 at 5:22 pm Reason: Adding extra info
Mar 16, 2018, 1:53 am
#289
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Basically, when the aircraft centre of gravity is beyond a certain point towards the rear of the aircraft, a message will be sent to the aircraft and loaders to advise that the aircraft must be disembarked in a certain order to avoid any ground stability issues, including tail tip.
That said, we shouldn't jump to conclusions, we probably need to see a lot more flying hours completed to see what the end outcome really is, but on some routes it will be near impossible to explain an apparently unnecessary wait to passengers.
Mar 16, 2018, 2:17 am
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Can’t help but feel passengers will be a bit more accepting being told that Concorde is a finely balanced machine and things have to be done in a certain way than when rammed in on MAN-LHR, though!
Mar 16, 2018, 2:39 am
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Can’t help but feel passengers will be a bit more accepting being told that Concorde is a finely balanced machine and things have to be done in a certain way than when rammed in on MAN-LHR, though!
Mar 16, 2018, 3:58 am
#293
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Which to my mind implies an increase in turnaround times, which in turn suggests greater costs for the airline since everyone has to be paid while this goes on. And hypothetically less revenue, if the aircraft ends up doing fewer flights, though I guess that would be unlikely given the shorthaul service doesn't quite fill LHR's main operating hours. All for a few extra seats which may or may not be sold.
That said, we shouldn't jump to conclusions, we probably need to see a lot more flying hours completed to see what the end outcome really is, but on some routes it will be near impossible to explain an apparently unnecessary wait to passengers.
That said, we shouldn't jump to conclusions, we probably need to see a lot more flying hours completed to see what the end outcome really is, but on some routes it will be near impossible to explain an apparently unnecessary wait to passengers.
Mar 16, 2018, 4:56 am
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vc10 brize norton accident - Google Search
It was apparently due to a 'defuelling fault' but caused the aircraft to be wirtten off.
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Mar 16, 2018, 7:09 am
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If true anyway, then that is quite spectacular. Spend millions on developing the seats, reducing the legroom, refitting the aircraft, squeezing the galleys, losing the duty free etc, all for the benefit of flying 12 empty seats around Europe 90% of the time. Hmm.
Mar 16, 2018, 7:09 am
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So if they're going to be blocked most of the time why not get rid of them, increase pitch and use yield management to extract maximum revenue.
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Mar 16, 2018, 7:17 am
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Quoting an internal message:
Basically, when the aircraft centre of gravity is beyond a certain point towards the rear of the aircraft, a message will be sent to the aircraft and loaders to advise that the aircraft must be disembarked in a certain order to avoid any ground stability issues, including tail tip.
Basically, when the aircraft centre of gravity is beyond a certain point towards the rear of the aircraft, a message will be sent to the aircraft and loaders to advise that the aircraft must be disembarked in a certain order to avoid any ground stability issues, including tail tip.
Mar 16, 2018, 7:28 am
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This seems to be no different from blocking for trim at the front of the cabin, which used to be endlessly discussed when single-cabin domestics were still in operation; and indeed the blocking for trim which other airlines do, particularly on open-seating airlines where it is highly visible to passengers.