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probably a stupid question - On Business Redemptions

probably a stupid question - On Business Redemptions

Old Dec 21, 17, 11:21 am
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probably a stupid question - On Business Redemptions

Did a quick search and didnít see a definitive answer but I suspect I know the answer. Got a work flight coming up and theyíve booked the flight using On Business Redemptions points. I assume I donít get Avios or TPs for this?
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Old Dec 21, 17, 11:27 am
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Originally Posted by jdbelfast View Post
Did a quick search and didnít see a definitive answer but I suspect I know the answer. Got a work flight coming up and theyíve booked the flight using On Business Redemptions points. I assume I donít get Avios or TPs for this?
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Old Dec 21, 17, 2:34 pm
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Gutting. I got an angry email from procurement just today telling me that my BA travel booked through Egencia is too "regular" (a mix of transatlantic and European about 5-6 times a year!) and I need to use On Business. There goes my ~400 free tier points a year.
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Old Dec 21, 17, 3:28 pm
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As I understand On Business, it builds up points for redemptions a bit like Avios, so you get a proportion of revenue bookings, but it's a PITA because you never know when you'll be the lucky recipient of a "free" ticket - if you're relying on the points for status you can end up royally shafted. From what I can gather, it's a bit difficult to arrange a redemption when there's something complicated about the booking, so for long haul I find open jaws or multicities tend to confound the system, as does asking the bookers for retention of the ability to change the end date (usually £150 plus fare difference on my WT+ tickets).

Or just front load ET short haul into the travel schedule and hope to run the points down that way where it doesn't matter so much.
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Old Dec 21, 17, 5:21 pm
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The frustrating thing for me is I could have booked myself and claimed back but given expenses take so long, I decided to go through the TA. I had timed my travel well I thought so that I’d just scrape my Silver renewal but now look like being about 60 TPS short so will be looking to a TP run or AUP. I’ve got a stack of travel early in my next TP year, so was hoping to go for Gold next year. Damn!
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Old Dec 21, 17, 8:57 pm
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On Business is a frequent flier program for companies. Companies pay for tickets in cash and receive points and are then able to use those points on future tickets that do not generate TPs or Avios for the traveler.

How dare a company go ahead and use points for tickets when the poor old employee is depending on tier points for their personal status. Outrageous
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Old Dec 22, 17, 2:26 am
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Originally Posted by golfmad View Post
On Business is a frequent flier program for companies. Companies pay for tickets in cash and receive points and are then able to use those points on future tickets that do not generate TPs or Avios for the traveler.

How dare a company go ahead and use points for tickets when the poor old employee is depending on tier points for their personal status. Outrageous
No problem with this. Companies are also free to pay the poor old employee for weekend travel, give time in lieu for recovering from jetlag, and overtime for evenings away when you're on duty (most nights of a trip in my experience).

The thing is they don't.

On Business is an absolute PITA if you're trying to maintain status using some degree of business travel, not least because there's often no control over when a redemption is used. It works out usually as a 1 or 1.25% reduction on spend I think. Asking an employee for an overnight Saturday stay often saves 20-30% if not more. Sarcastic comments apart, there has to be a bit of quid pro quo in the relationship between an employee and employer on travel, and this ultimately benefits everyone. If there's goodwill, everyone works together to minimise travel costs. If I think I'm being peed on from a great height I'll get a lot more militant in terms of the travel dates I accept not including weekends or late evening travel.

I'd be interested to know the actual fiscal benefit of the scheme in terms of overall average discount to a company in comparison to travellers maintaining silver status or above. Without status, I'd be expensing maybe £20-30 per airport on average for food and drink, so £40-60 for a simple return trip, which is quite a large percentage of the fare (just paid £850 or so for a WT+ trip to PVG, so it's about 8%) even without considering non-status colleagues being guested. So to be perfectly honest, and within reason, companies who have standardised on BA On Business should be trying to manage their frequent flier employees' status position and ensuring where appropriate that status is maintained.
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Old Dec 22, 17, 2:42 am
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Originally Posted by jackcarr View Post
Gutting. I got an angry email from procurement just today telling me that my BA travel booked through Egencia is too "regular" (a mix of transatlantic and European about 5-6 times a year!) and I need to use On Business. There goes my ~400 free tier points a year.
That could the type of email that ends up in your junk inbox or even worse never delivered to the recipient. At least until the second reminder!
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