3 class J on 4 class 777 as gold woes
Dec 22, 2017, 7:02 am
#16
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 101
Not wishing to hijack the thread but as somewhat related I hope someone in this thread can help. Will there still be 4 class 777s on the TPA route in 2018 and beyond? Mrs Muffin Man loves the mouse so I am planning a trip but I cannot see any F listed on any dates at all.
Thanks in advance,
TMM
Thanks in advance,
TMM
Dec 23, 2017, 2:04 am
#17
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 116
Much appreciated,
i think you you have also inadvertently answered a q I was going to open a separate thread about as I’m with mrs MM LGW-ANU early next year in J. I’ve done the route a few times and it’s normally the 3 class 777 but the seat map looks like it’s a 4 class as it’s 48J from rows 10-15.
ive booked my parents to come out and they look to be on the new layout 3 class (which is what I expected us to be on)
assuming we we will be on 4 class, is there much we can do beyond not choosing seats to improve opup chances if they open F?
Finally, when they do this, is it full first food/drink service or is it essentially club service in F?
thanks,
TMM
i think you you have also inadvertently answered a q I was going to open a separate thread about as I’m with mrs MM LGW-ANU early next year in J. I’ve done the route a few times and it’s normally the 3 class 777 but the seat map looks like it’s a 4 class as it’s 48J from rows 10-15.
ive booked my parents to come out and they look to be on the new layout 3 class (which is what I expected us to be on)
assuming we we will be on 4 class, is there much we can do beyond not choosing seats to improve opup chances if they open F?
Finally, when they do this, is it full first food/drink service or is it essentially club service in F?
thanks,
TMM
Dec 23, 2017, 3:46 am
#18
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,579
TMM - theres nothing F about the service in this situation. As others have mentioned, this occurs when a 4 class aircraft is used on a 3 class route.
The F cabin will only normally be utilized for additional J capacity when the flight is full. You cannot preselect to sit here. You cannot pay extra to secure space here. There aren't any actions or practices you can follow to put yourself ahead of anyone else. It's essentially overflow Club and it may well be curtained off and out of use on any flight you take should the passenger load deem it non essential for using it. The process is completely handled by the airport check in that handles the departing flight in question. This would be your first point of enquiry as to whether they're opening the F cabin as an overflow for Club that day and whether there might be seat space available in order for you to move. Also, you should probably try and stop thinking about this as an opup - if only for the disappointment factor in the event the cabin isn't utilized or you're unable to secure seats there. The fact is you will still be flying Club - the class you've paid for. Hope this covers every angle.
The F cabin will only normally be utilized for additional J capacity when the flight is full. You cannot preselect to sit here. You cannot pay extra to secure space here. There aren't any actions or practices you can follow to put yourself ahead of anyone else. It's essentially overflow Club and it may well be curtained off and out of use on any flight you take should the passenger load deem it non essential for using it. The process is completely handled by the airport check in that handles the departing flight in question. This would be your first point of enquiry as to whether they're opening the F cabin as an overflow for Club that day and whether there might be seat space available in order for you to move. Also, you should probably try and stop thinking about this as an opup - if only for the disappointment factor in the event the cabin isn't utilized or you're unable to secure seats there. The fact is you will still be flying Club - the class you've paid for. Hope this covers every angle.
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Dec 23, 2017, 6:00 am
#19
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: West Sussex Flying Club
Programs: Hilton Silver VIP, Overworked Cabin Crew
Posts: 75
All's well that ends well. Got to check-in this morning and the helpful lad on the desk said that yes F cabin was completely full, and it looked like there was some families in there with I assume the GCH parent. He rang through to his supervisor to argue my case but there was nothing that could be done as all seats were taken.
Sat in the lounge enjoying some breakfast and bubbles, and low and behold as we approach boarding time the BA app has just updated with my new seat. Very much looking forward to a very comfortable trip across the Atlantic
Sat in the lounge enjoying some breakfast and bubbles, and low and behold as we approach boarding time the BA app has just updated with my new seat. Very much looking forward to a very comfortable trip across the Atlantic
Oh! I'm so glad it worked out for you in the end, but now I'm curious to know which seat you had as I was working in that cabin 😃😃
Dec 23, 2017, 6:15 am
#20
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: London
Programs: BA Silver
Posts: 1,279
Indeed. However that's the downside of BA flyertalk and a bit of knowledge about BA's procedures. When things aren't going exactly to plan or following a set service standard you can't help but feel disappointed. Sometimes ignorance is bliss.
Dec 23, 2017, 8:16 am
#21
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TMM - theres nothing F about the service in this situation. As others have mentioned, this occurs when a 4 class aircraft is used on a 3 class route.
The F cabin will only normally be utilized for additional J capacity when the flight is full. You cannot preselect to sit here. You cannot pay extra to secure space here. There aren't any actions or practices you can follow to put yourself ahead of anyone else. It's essentially overflow Club and it may well be curtained off and out of use on any flight you take should the passenger load deem it non essential for using it. The process is completely handled by the airport check in that handles the departing flight in question. This would be your first point of enquiry as to whether they're opening the F cabin as an overflow for Club that day and whether there might be seat space available in order for you to move. Also, you should probably try and stop thinking about this as an opup - if only for the disappointment factor in the event the cabin isn't utilized or you're unable to secure seats there. The fact is you will still be flying Club - the class you've paid for. Hope this covers every angle.
The F cabin will only normally be utilized for additional J capacity when the flight is full. You cannot preselect to sit here. You cannot pay extra to secure space here. There aren't any actions or practices you can follow to put yourself ahead of anyone else. It's essentially overflow Club and it may well be curtained off and out of use on any flight you take should the passenger load deem it non essential for using it. The process is completely handled by the airport check in that handles the departing flight in question. This would be your first point of enquiry as to whether they're opening the F cabin as an overflow for Club that day and whether there might be seat space available in order for you to move. Also, you should probably try and stop thinking about this as an opup - if only for the disappointment factor in the event the cabin isn't utilized or you're unable to secure seats there. The fact is you will still be flying Club - the class you've paid for. Hope this covers every angle.
Dec 23, 2017, 8:46 am
#22
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,579
I think perhaps there are a lot of variables which may need to work in a perfect storm fashion in order for everything to work out.
I was traveling to St Kitts in WTP a few years ago and got upgraded at check in to Club World. Upon boarding it was obvious that we were on a 4 class aircraft. This meant a dramatically smaller economy cabin than the 3 class aircraft I was expecting to travel on. Lots of upgrades from Y to W and subsequently lots of W made it up to J. I wasn't seated in the F zone but depending on the dynamics of Club (who has paid to be seated together, how many status passengers, are there children/infants in the party) it may be easier operationally to put non rev passengers there than move people who may not understand or even appreciate why theyve been moved.
Dec 23, 2017, 10:05 am
#23
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Dec 23, 2017, 10:35 am
#24
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Dec 23, 2017, 1:38 pm
#25
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Location: uk
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I can certainly see both sides of the coin here, but that's the beauty of FT for me. Had it not been for this forum I would never have known about this unofficial GCH perk, and would never have even known to even ask at check-in, so would've been happily sat in my normal seat as paid for. The advice on here for me to ask at check-in paid off in the end and I got a lovely bonus with the new seat, so I'm glad I knew. Had I been sat in my other seat I would've been slightly jealous of those up front, but still more than happy with a nice seat
I can certainly understand that you can see all sides of the story, and that's great. And the fact that you posted your plight here, and called the exec club several times would not detract in any way from your travels. I can also imagine re-checking at the desk was also an extremely proactive event. I'm happy you got to travel in the F cabin (albeit with CW service) I've only ever enjoyed it as full F service, and hopefully this will encourage you to try it again. 😉
Dec 23, 2017, 3:27 pm
#26
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: West Sussex Flying Club
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Dec 23, 2017, 3:31 pm
#27
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 116
TMM - theres nothing F about the service in this situation. As others have mentioned, this occurs when a 4 class aircraft is used on a 3 class route.
The F cabin will only normally be utilized for additional J capacity when the flight is full. You cannot preselect to sit here. You cannot pay extra to secure space here. There aren't any actions or practices you can follow to put yourself ahead of anyone else. It's essentially overflow Club and it may well be curtained off and out of use on any flight you take should the passenger load deem it non essential for using it. The process is completely handled by the airport check in that handles the departing flight in question. This would be your first point of enquiry as to whether they're opening the F cabin as an overflow for Club that day and whether there might be seat space available in order for you to move. Also, you should probably try and stop thinking about this as an opup - if only for the disappointment factor in the event the cabin isn't utilized or you're unable to secure seats there. The fact is you will still be flying Club - the class you've paid for. Hope this covers every angle.
The F cabin will only normally be utilized for additional J capacity when the flight is full. You cannot preselect to sit here. You cannot pay extra to secure space here. There aren't any actions or practices you can follow to put yourself ahead of anyone else. It's essentially overflow Club and it may well be curtained off and out of use on any flight you take should the passenger load deem it non essential for using it. The process is completely handled by the airport check in that handles the departing flight in question. This would be your first point of enquiry as to whether they're opening the F cabin as an overflow for Club that day and whether there might be seat space available in order for you to move. Also, you should probably try and stop thinking about this as an opup - if only for the disappointment factor in the event the cabin isn't utilized or you're unable to secure seats there. The fact is you will still be flying Club - the class you've paid for. Hope this covers every angle.
Merry Christmas,
The Muffin Man
Dec 24, 2017, 2:26 am
#28
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 516
thanks for the help, fully understand the situation. Very happy with J anyway for this route, just really understanding what to expect in the unlikely event it does happen. We’ve flown J a couple times to ANU and it’s normally quiet so my expectation is that F seats won’t be required.
Merry Christmas,
The Muffin Man
Dec 24, 2017, 4:56 am
#29
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 116
As counter intuitive as it sounds I think I would prefer that, even if it means giving up he possibility of an F seat as I much prefer the J cabin layout on the 3 class when flying with MrsMM, I think even with the 2018 changes coming in.