Originally Posted by HIDDY
(Post 29059078)
I haven't seen anyone on here throwing a wobbly about being forced to have a yellow tag attached to their cabin baggage for ages. Have they been done away with?
How upset the poor passenger must have been when they arrived at their seat without the yellow label? |
Originally Posted by TabTraveller
(Post 29058842)
Well it does require ground staff:
a. with a basic level of numeracy; b. who give a toss; c. and care about their jobs. It also gets worse at this time of year as coats invariably get shoved in the lockers, reducing the number of bags that can fit on board. I'll try to explain this from an outsourced gate agent perspective. Every damn person flying with oversized baggage (and the flyertalk guys) will appear at the gate and give you a long speech about how their bag has always been accepted before, there is plenty of space in the airplane and that his/hers bag containts extreme valuables, preferably glass or diamonds. That is about 2 minutes already gone at the gate. Then you are supposed to handwrite the tag and fill a paper about the bag, that is another minute gone atleast. Considering that 99% of the time there are 2 people at the gate and about 30 bags you should check-in, that is a minimum of 30 minutes gone atleast that you unfortunately don't have considering the minimal turnaround times. I have a hard time seeing this as a problem of the staff. Although I must note that a lot of the blame should be put on the passengers, people flying FR and U2 seem to have a much better understanding of the concept of gate checking than the customers of BA. |
Originally Posted by DYKWIA
(Post 29059611)
It normally takes around 10 minutes to load a full A320 on U2. That's from opening the doors to everyone seated.
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Originally Posted by DYKWIA
(Post 29059611)
It normally takes around 10 minutes to load a full A320 on U2. That's from opening the doors to everyone seated.
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Originally Posted by vanaema78
(Post 29062930)
I have a hard time seeing this as a problem of the staff.
Although I must note that a lot of the blame should be put on the passengers, people flying FR and U2 seem to have a much better understanding of the concept of gate checking than the customers of BA. I also agree with you that the passengers using Ryanair in particular are better self disciplined in this area, perhaps given FR's previous hardline stance in this area. These days the airline is more relaxed, thankfully, but the passengers tend to still be quite sensible. On easyJet, they are still on a "one bag only" rule for most tickets, so that helps. However both airlines tend to get people queued up and pre-processed well before boarding, or even before the inbound aircraft has landed in some cases, which some people on FT seem to prefer (I hate it!). Not sure that would work for BA's passengers. |
Exactly. Try queueing and pre-processing BA passengers and see what hell goes loose on FT when they cant say in the lounge for the extra 5 minutes.
I spent some time at the gate for fun and experience of being on the front line of an airline. Definitely worth it. Would love to have some data on how much of the delays are caused by hand luggage, but since they are mostly tagged as gate delays there probably isn't any. |
Originally Posted by vanaema78
(Post 29062966)
Exactly. Try queueing and pre-processing BA passengers and see what hell goes loose on FT when they cant say in the lounge for the extra 5 minutes.
I spent some time at the gate for fun and experience of being on the front line of an airline. Definitely worth it. Would love to have some data on how much of the delays are caused by hand luggage, but since they are mostly tagged as gate delays there probably isn't any. "we're waiting for paperwork" "we're waiting for the last of the hold luggage to be loaded" "we'll be off in 15 mins as ATC want us to wait" etc. |
Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave
(Post 29062957)
Not sure that would work for BA's passengers.
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Depends on the destination, from my experience yes.
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Originally Posted by rossmacd
(Post 29063014)
Are BA SH passengers different from U2 or FR?
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Originally Posted by xenole
(Post 29062998)
I can't say I've seen any delays due to hand baggage. Even if everyone is onboard and the doors (practically) shut before the scheduled departure time, there's always:
"we're waiting for paperwork" "we're waiting for the last of the hold luggage to be loaded" "we'll be off in 15 mins as ATC want us to wait" etc. I also imagine that if ever there was a situation where a flight boarding on time was delayed by hand luggage issues the Captain might be circumspect about admitting as such and feel it easier to refer to slot delays or such like. |
Originally Posted by vanaema78
(Post 29062930)
I'll try to explain this from an outsourced gate agent perspective.
Every damn person flying with oversized baggage (and the flyertalk guys) will appear at the gate and give you a long speech about how their bag has always been accepted before, there is plenty of space in the airplane and that his/hers bag containts extreme valuables, preferably glass or diamonds. That is about 2 minutes already gone at the gate. Then you are supposed to handwrite the tag and fill a paper about the bag, that is another minute gone atleast. Considering that 99% of the time there are 2 people at the gate and about 30 bags you should check-in, that is a minimum of 30 minutes gone atleast that you unfortunately don't have considering the minimal turnaround times. I have a hard time seeing this as a problem of the staff. Although I must note that a lot of the blame should be put on the passengers, people flying FR and U2 seem to have a much better understanding of the concept of gate checking than the customers of BA. |
Originally Posted by vanaema78
(Post 29062945)
I have a hard time believing this... maybe with pre-boarding into gallerys.
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easyJet are now introducing a new cabin baggage policy similar to Wizz Air and Ryanair - https://www.easyjet.com/en/help/bagg...d-hold-luggage
Will leave BA as one of the only comparable carriers exLON to allow you to bring a case onboard free of charge. |
Originally Posted by londonba2014
(Post 32854948)
easyJet are now introducing a new cabin baggage policy similar to Wizz Air and Ryanair - https://www.easyjet.com/en/help/bagg...d-hold-luggage
Will leave BA as one of the only comparable carriers exLON to allow you to bring a case onboard free of charge. |
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