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LBP2 Sep 30, 17 12:07 pm

On-board WiFi: soft launch is underway
 
On the BA67 and thought I would see if the WiFi had been switched yet - and lo and behold £4.99 later I have an hour of pretty speedy internet 2 hours out of PHL. Very impressed :)

The _Banking_Scot Sep 30, 17 12:14 pm

Hi,

Very interesting,

I think you are the first FT to post live from a wifi equipped BA jet ( apart from the LCY jets)

Flightradar24 is showing the flight to be a B744 ( G-CIVS)


https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ba67#f0d8475

Regards

TBS

MPH1980 Sep 30, 17 12:16 pm

I've seen similar on G-CIVR - it's there - but I didn't fancy paying for it.

Tobias-UK Sep 30, 17 12:18 pm

WiFi was also available on the BA173 (G-CIVX LHR-JFK) today.

ahmetdouas Sep 30, 17 12:20 pm

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madfish Sep 30, 17 12:20 pm

Do we have more info on the pricing?

LBP2 Sep 30, 17 12:21 pm

From the payment screen looks like there might be Ďpromo codesí for free access, then I had £4.99 for an hour up to £14.99 for the full flight. Donít think thatís bad value. May not be so keen when a full flight is connected tho 😳

MPH1980 Sep 30, 17 12:28 pm

I got screenshots. Can't upload right now - but there are two tiers:

£4.99 for 1 hour (basic), £10.99 for 4 hours (basic), £14.99 for the flight (basic)

£7.99 for 1 hour (fast), £17.99 for 4 hours (fast), £23.99 for the flight (fast).

Basic is for non-streaming, fast is for streaming.

LBP2 Sep 30, 17 12:36 pm

They might still be working on the tiers because on the basic level YouTube and Netflix is working just fine :)

Prospero Sep 30, 17 1:09 pm


Originally Posted by LBP2 (Post 28877816)
On the BA67 and thought I would see if the WiFi had been switched yet - and lo and behold £4.99 later I have an hour of pretty speedy internet 2 hours out of PHL. Very impressed :)

This is great news. Thanks for sharing,

I've taken the liberty of amending the thread title, to attract more eyes

MPH1980 Sep 30, 17 1:12 pm

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Screen caps of the options attached.

ahmetdouas Sep 30, 17 2:11 pm

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rossmacd Sep 30, 17 2:57 pm

If it is Gogo provided, I'm hoping there is a high chance for iPass 'free' access, just like AA ^

LondonCanuck Sep 30, 17 3:50 pm

Excellent. Will be in a 747 to Denver in Nov so will hopefully get one that have it... Maybe worth starting a Wiki as more planes get enabled and people can report their experiences ?

mikeyfly Sep 30, 17 5:28 pm

This thread last week suggested it’s a year at least off..

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...t-wi-fi-3.html

batrm Sep 30, 17 6:45 pm


Originally Posted by LondonCanuck (Post 28878415)
Excellent. Will be in a 747 to Denver in Nov so will hopefully get one that have it... Maybe worth starting a Wiki as more planes get enabled and people can report their experiences ?

You will not, Iím afraid. DEN is not a HI-J route and there is no plan to install Wi-Fi on the MID-J 747s.

FoxtrotOscar Sep 30, 17 11:38 pm

With respect to pricing, I would hope the basic service would be offered free in F or J. I favour hotel chains that have fast, free wifi and I suspect this will increasingly become a factor on airlines in the future.

An an option to pay using Avios would also be welcome.

Egoldstein Oct 1, 17 12:17 am

Interesting, I was on BA 114 (JFK to LHR) 2 days ago (747) and received a survey after asking if I knew that wifi was available. I did not, as there were no announcements or inserts in the seat pocket. My first thought was the survey was wrong as they asked other questions that did not apply.

LondonCanuck Oct 1, 17 12:31 am


Originally Posted by batrm (Post 28878805)
You will not, Iím afraid. DEN is not a HI-J route and there is no plan to install Wi-Fi on the MID-J 747s.

Ahh... knee it was a mid-J route, just didnít know they werenít installing WiFi. Thanks for info...

corporate-wage-slave Oct 1, 17 2:18 am

I've put a wiki on to the thread. What I think would be useful would be getting a note of those aircraft with a working wifi available for passenger list, so any updates there would be good.

To find out which aircraft may operate your flight use this URL:
Code:

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ba174
replacing 174 with your actual flight number. It's not totally reliable and it only indicates expected movements a few days before travel.

Prospero Oct 1, 17 3:04 am

The South Wales Aviation Group website is a great source of information, as it tracks BA long haul aircraft as they go into the BAMC for their scheduled overhaul.

2017 movements in/out BAMC at Cardiff
source: http://cardiffstathan.blogspot.co.uk/p/bamc.html
G-CIVR/S/X are highlighted below:

G-CIVA B744 52J 04/11/16 9170 - 04/01/17 9151
G-BNWX B763 06/12/16 9272 - 14/01/17 9272
G-YMMT B772 10/12/16 9174 - 04/01/17 9171 to Gatwick
G-CIVC B744 52J 22/12/16 9170 - 24/01/17 9173
G-VIIF B772 22/12/16 9150 - 10/01/17 9171
G-ZBJG B788 23/12/16 9154 - 02/01/17 9154
G-BNWA B763 09/01/17 9274 - 09/01/17 9275 (day visit)
G-YMMN B772 10/01/17 9170 - 01/02/17 9171
G-BNWA B763 11/01/17 9278 - 22/01/17 9275
G-BNLP B744 14/01/17 9270 - 21/02/17 9173
G-BNWB B763 22/01/17 9274 - 06/02/17 9270
G-VIIG B772 22/01/17 9170 - 08/02/17 9171
G-ZBKE B789 31/01/17 9174 - 01/02/17 9175 (hangar fit checks)
G-CIVJ B744 52J 05/02/17 9170 - 28/02/17 9171
G-VIIU B772 06/02/17 9604 from Kingston Jamaica - 12/02/17 9171 to Gatwick
G-BNLY B744 52J 11/02/17 9172 - 22/04/17 9170
G-VIIE B772 11/02/17 9170 - 28/02/17 9174
G-VIIY B772 17/02/17 9172 from Gatwick - 21/02/17 9179 to Gatwick
G-ZBJE B788 22/02/17 9170 - 05/03/17 9177
G-CIVE B744 52J 22/02/17 9172 - 11/03/17 9171
G-STBG B77W 26/02/17 9170 - 08/03/17 9173
LN-LND B788 03/03/17 8984 from Stockholm - 09/03/17 8983 to Copenhagen
G-VIIK B772 09/03/17 9170 - 19/03/17 9171
LN-LNH B788 09/03/17 8982 from Copenhagen - 15/03/17 8982 to Gatwick
G-BNLO B744 52J 11/03/17 9170 - 22/03/17 9179 to Teruel
G-BNLN B744 52J 11/03/17 9173 - 06/04/17 9172
LN-LNE B788 14/03/17 8982 from Copenhagen - 21/03/17 8983 to Copenhagen
G-VIIH B772 19/03/17 9170 - 28/03/17 9171
LN-LNA B788 20/03/17 8982 from Copenhagen - 28/03/17 8983 to Oslo
LN-LNF B788 28/03/17 8982 from Oslo - 03/04/17 8983 to Oslo
G-ZZZC B772 28/03/17 9170 - 05/04/17 9174
LN-LNB B788 03/04/17 8982 from Oslo - 10/04/17 8983 to Oslo
G-CIVF B744 86J 04/04/17 9171 - 18/04/17 9171
G-CIVP B744 52J 06/04/17 9170 - 19/05/17 9174
LN-LNG B788 10/04/17 8982 from Oslo - 17/04/17 8984 to Oslo
G-VIIK B772 14/04/17 9170 - 19/04/17 9173
G-ZBJF B788 19/04/17 9175 - 29/04/17 9171
G-VIIW B772 19/04/17 9172 from Gatwick - 23/04/17 9178 to Gatwick
G-VIIV B772 24/04/17 9177 from Gatwick - 30/04/17 9170 to Gatwick
G-YMMO B772 29/04/17 9178 - 20/05/17 9173
G-CIVW B744 86J 29/04/17 9170 - 15/05/17 9171
G-CIVL B744 52J 14/05/17 9170 - 31/05/17 9175
G-YMMP B772 20/05/17 9172 - 12/06/17 9171
G-CIVR B744 86J 20/05/17 9170 - 01/07/17 9173
G-BNWZ B763 31/05/17 9171 - 12/06/17 9172
G-YMMU B772 12/06/17 9170 - 29/06/17 9171
G-BZHA B763 12/06/17 9173 - 24/06/17 9270
G-BZHB B763 24/06/17 9271 - 05/07/17 9172
G-VIIH B772 28/06/17 9170 - 04/07/17 9175
G-CIVS B744 86J 01/07/17 9172 - 11/08/17 9171
G-ZBJG B788 05/07/17 9170 - 14/07/17 9171
G-CIVG B744 86J 06/07/17 9170 - 25/07/17 9174
G-ZBJH B788 15/07/17 9170 - 24/07/17 9173
G-CIVX B744 86J 24/07/17 9170 - 03/09/17 9173
G-STBL B77W 26/07/17 9170 - 02/08/17 9171
G-RAES B772 02/08/17 9172 - 14/08/17 9172
G-ZZZB B772 10/08/17 9172 - 26/08/17 9172
G-CIVU B744 52J 11/08/17 9170 - 25/09/17 9175
G-VIIL B772 22/08/17 9173 - 31/08/17 9171
G-ZZZC B772 26/08/17 9171 - 10/09/17 9173
G-CIVV B744 86J 02/09/17 9171 - 02/09/17 9170 (CIVX not ready)
G-CIVV B744 86J 04/09/17 9172 - Current
G-STBE B77W 10/09/17 9170 - 13/09/17 9173
G-STBB B77W 14/09/17 9170 - 22/09/17 9176
G-CIVK B744 52J 21/09/17 9172 - Current
G-STBC B77W 22/09/17 9177 - 29/09/17 9171
G-BNLY B744 52J 25/09/17 9174 - Current
G-VIIS B772 29/09/17 9173 - Current

To assist you cross referencing the 86J 747s, here is a list of these aircraft. Those that we know have working wifi are highlighted :
G-BYGA G-BYGB G-BYGC G-BYGD G-BYGE G-BYGF G-BYGG G-CIVF G-CIVG G-CIVH G-CIVI G-CIVR G-CIVS G-CIVV G-CIVW G-CIVX G-CIVY G-CIVZ

corporate-wage-slave Oct 1, 17 3:15 am


Originally Posted by Prospero (Post 28879653)
The South Wales Aviation Group website is a great source of information, as it tracks BA long haul aircraft as they go into the BAMC for their scheduled overhaul.

Very interesting. From the above list there are several aircraft that were in for similar lengths of time which therefore may have been fitted, so G-CIVG for example, which had a prototype wifi on it previously and is 86J, whereas CIVU is 52J.

There there are 788 aircraft such as G-ZBJH. Did that get fitted? This aircraft does things like BWI, YUL and Indian destinations.

skipness1E Oct 1, 17 3:20 am

Interestingly, (well to me), G-CIVG has recently had the old prototype WiFi removed but not had the new one fitted!

Prospero Oct 1, 17 3:24 am


Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave (Post 28879670)
Very interesting. From the above list there are several aircraft that were in for similar lengths of time which therefore may have been fitted, so G-CIVG for example, which had a prototype wifi on it previously and is 86J, whereas CIVU is 52J.

There there are 788 aircraft such as G-ZBJH. Did that get fitted? This aircraft does things like BWI, YUL and Indian destinations.

Yes, I wondering about this too. Also, several Boeing 773s (G-STBx) have recently spent short periods at the Cardiff maintenance centre, so it is possible they have been fitted.

corporate-wage-slave Oct 1, 17 3:26 am


Originally Posted by skipness1E (Post 28879677)
Interestingly, (well to me), G-CIVG has recently had the old prototype WiFi removed but not had the new one fitted!

Is that based on something you know? That aircraft was in CWL at the back end of July.

Tobias-UK Oct 1, 17 3:33 am


Originally Posted by batrm (Post 28878805)
You will not, Iím afraid. DEN is not a HI-J route and there is no plan to install Wi-Fi on the MID-J 747s.

Is this confirmed?

madfish Oct 1, 17 3:58 am

Will new aircraft come with wifi already installed? The latest 787 G-ZBJI arrived at LHR on Friday (as far as I am aware).

LBP2 Oct 1, 17 5:29 am

Sorry I wasn’t really in test mode yesterday, it was more an idle how to kill the last couple of hours and thought I’d see if I could (a) get on in the first place and (b) what kind of stuff I could do if I did,

I went for the 1hour simply connect and plugged my Amex details in. Got the Amex notification straight away, unsurprising as online.. billed to Adyen UK Ltd.
The speed for web browsing was fine, I am guessing I had pretty much all the bandwidth to myself tho. First thought was post to FT :cool:
I did a quick WhatsApp video call (yes very discreet and I wouldn’t make a habit of it!), a few emails, YouTube and Netflix streaming was really quick but from the pricing structure shouldn’t have been available unless I had gone for the Connect Plus option. There’s a timer screen showing how long you have left.
I am sure they’ll have a way to bundle free access to certain customers by giving them a code, 23.99 for the top tier seems either expensive or good value depending what you’d want out of it.
I am already torn between being very impressed and thinking its a bit sad that one of those places you really are cut off from all the instant connectivity won’t be for much longer. With a 747 full of people all doing “i’m on the plane” shouty video calls!
I’ll see if it’s available on my flight home and maybe stump up for the full flight and run some speed tests etc.


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flatlander Oct 1, 17 6:35 am

On AA flights, which have had inflight wifi for some time, I have never noticed anyone video calling from the flight. Much like the fear that inflight wifi will cause everyone to talk all the time with Skype, it does not happen in practice. People can already talk loudly to their travel companions, and some definitely do (my transatlantic then transcontinental(US) flights yesterday both had some groups who were very loud for part of the flight). In addition, on a 747, you can't hear anyone more than a few seats away over the noise of the ventilation system so you need only fear loud people close to you.

Meanwhile, is the wifi gear not visible? Does it not require a noticeably bulge on top of the fuselage to hold the satellite antenna? With the collective eyeballs of BAEC FT on any 747, they would soon be spotted. For example, here's a 777 with satellite antenna used for wifi, it's the bulge on top of the fuselage near doors L4/R4. https://runwaygirl-5389.kxcdn.com/wp...77-800x415.jpg

Prospero Oct 1, 17 8:03 am


Originally Posted by flatlander (Post 28880034)
Meanwhile, is the wifi gear not visible? Does it not require a noticeably bulge on top of the fuselage to hold the satellite antenna? With the collective eyeballs of BAEC FT on any 747, they would soon be spotted. For example, here's a 777 with satellite antenna used for wifi, it's the bulge on top of the fuselage near doors L4/R4.

Gogo 2Ku has a low profile radome which may be tricky to spot. However, I did find this photo, taken by flickr member djwilliams1990 on 4 September which shows us were to look - just aft of the upper deck bubble.

https://flic.kr/p/XNqgV3

corporate-wage-slave Oct 1, 17 8:10 am


Originally Posted by Prospero (Post 28880243)
Gogo 2Ku has a low profile radome which may be tricky to spot. However, I did find this photo, taken by flickr member djwilliams1990 on 4 September which shows us were to look - just aft of the upper deck bubble.

Is that all we need to confirm Wifi? In other words does the radome go hand-in-hand with Wifi installation and implementation? If so it wouldn't take long for FTers to get the list of equipped aircraft, particularly since we know who has been in CWL recently.

flatlander Oct 1, 17 8:17 am

Prospero thanks for digging up a photo of the actual BA installation. It should be fairly easy to see in good conditions (view from a gate in LHR T5, and similar). The top of an aircraft fuselage is usually quite flat and smooth, even the 744 upper deck bulge tapers at a shallow angle, so I feel it quite distinctive.

Panasonic, used by AA, and Gogo 2Ku are both Ku band and both have fairly flat antennas; the AA one is, I think, a little smaller footprint but about the same height.

I'm confident that BAEC FTers will easily recognise it.

I think the bulge for that antenna indicates satellite wifi, or at least satellite broadband data communications of some sort. I think the existing crew SATCOM system antenna is a different type, visible as a thinner blade (but I welcome confirmation from experts).

Prospero Oct 1, 17 8:22 am


Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave (Post 28880264)
Is that all we need to confirm Wifi? In other words does the radome go hand-in-hand with Wifi installation and implementation? If so it wouldn't take long for FTers to get the list of equipped aircraft, particularly since we know who has been in CWL recently.

Having investigated further, I don't think the presence of a radome is sufficient. For example, take a look at this photo of G-BNLY. It was taken in 2012. That said G-CIVX's radome is positioned much further forward than this example, so that might be clue.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7079/...6a5ee7ae_c.jpg
G-BNLY by JETA1PHOTOS, on Flickr

G-CIVV also has antenna radome, like G-CIVX is immediately aft of the upper deck bubble
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4334/...4fdeb44f_c.jpg
G-CIVV - LHR by Jan, on Flickr

andset1191 Oct 1, 17 9:23 am

G-CIVV was first to be fitted.

skipness1E Oct 1, 17 11:00 am


Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave (Post 28879689)
Is that based on something you know? That aircraft was in CWL at the back end of July.

Yes, the rather large blister has been removed and itís not carrying the new smaller version.

skipness1E Oct 1, 17 11:01 am

The one on G-BNLY has been on a lot of the fleet for years. Sat com maybe?

Jimmie76 Oct 1, 17 1:02 pm


Originally Posted by Egoldstein (Post 28879410)
Interesting, I was on BA 114 (JFK to LHR) 2 days ago (747) and received a survey after asking if I knew that wifi was available. I did not, as there were no announcements or inserts in the seat pocket. My first thought was the survey was wrong as they asked other questions that did not apply.

I was on one earlier in the year and found as I was turning my electronics into flight mode that there was wifi. However when the survey popped into my inbox and it asked if I had used it I said no. That was because I was on a sleeper flight and just wanted to sleep ASAP. The survey didn't seem to have been written with that considered as an option. It focused on the service pricing & speed not whether you might have paid for a flat bed and wanted to use that to sleep. As a result I found it a fairly uninteresting survey.

Bram Oct 1, 17 8:02 pm

Posting from aboard the BA112, which I believe is the return leg of BA173 reported above. I chose the slower speed package and it's working fine for browsing, email and even uploading some short video.

No announcement though, so it may be very lightly loaded. I only found it because I searched WiFi in desperation, there was an email I absolutely had to send while at JFK and my phone died just at the wrong moment, I could no longer access my charger etc. I had a tablet with me as well, but no mobile connection on it. I searched WiFi with the tablet hoping unrealistically that I would catch a signal from the terminal building, and instead the BA WiFi network appeared. No access on the ground but once seatbelts came off all working perfectly (the technology is 15 years old at this point, after all ;)). Glad I chose to fly today.

In answer to a post upthread, Gogo prepaid vouchers as from Amex are NOT valid for the service, because there does not appear to be any way to log in to your Gogo account. I tries a few times, but it seems (for now at least) the Checkout botton brings you straight to a page called Gogo Guest Checkout, with no log in option I could find. This also means credit card details will need to be entered with each use. Perhaps this will change in the future. As a point of comparison, VS Gogo planes allow the use of Amex vouchers.

Hopefully the rollout is swift.

highexpectations Oct 2, 17 2:27 am

Does anyone know if access to BA.com is free?

MPH1980 Oct 2, 17 2:33 am


Originally Posted by highexpectations (Post 28883181)
Does anyone know if access to BA.com is free?

My memory says yes ... but it isnt 100% certain.


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